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Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Ballhard000
Date: March 2, 2018, 8:19 am
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> [quote author=Ballhard000 link=topic=531.msg21702#msg21702
date=1519998013]
> [quote author=OldSeawolf link=topic=531.msg21699#msg21699
date=1519994658]
> Wow Ballhard, some excellent analysis here. Definitely
whetting our appetite on this kid. I sure hope we land him.
>
> Sounds like you might be a scout for a living too. Keep up
the great works with the analysis!
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Haha lol Thanks my man.Wish I were a scout. I coach very very
low level AAU. D2- D3 type kids. But I keep up with what's going
on with 5 star prospects and so on. Keep up with the draft,
Dleague, European and Australian ball( Great hoops down under).
Read a lot of Nba writer Evals and have been blessed enough to
hold convos and get to know some real heavy hitters on the
corporate side of hoops. In my spare time I watch a lot of film.
High school,AAU,JUCO,D1,D2,D3,Pro game and women's College. Kind
of how I have an Idea why the great Jameel Warney isn't getting
his proper acclaim. From what I've gathered it's because he
isn't a "switch type" in pick and roll which is 60% of most
teams offense. Half of the time you've got to switch in today's
NBA. Picture Warney switching onto John Wall, Dame
Lillard,Kyrie,Lou Will,Westbrook,Kyle Lowry and so on.
Undersized bigs like Trevor Booker don't have that issue. And he
does what Warney can do on offense and is more athletic for
comparison sake of two 6'7 guys that play in the Front Court. If
Warney were a 3 point Threat some NBA team may look past his
perimeter defense shortcomings.
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Very good observation, Ball. I also see with Warney he is not a
fast dribbler. When Warney rebounds the ball he always looks for
a guard to take the ball up court. Keep an eye on that.. AS far
as his long ball. Warney never attempted a 3 ball at SB and that
is why I think he got over looked in the NBA draft.. However, he
is making 3 pointers this season. If he can do that on a
consistence basis, like you say I think some team might over
look a couple of his deficits..
[/quote]
Really good stuff by you as well. I didn't take note of the fact
that he doesn't handle the ball at all. Which is another thing
NBA teams would want. Yes he has expanded his range. Like you
said it will need to be on the consistent basis
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Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: sbugold
Date: March 2, 2018, 9:26 am
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Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: March 2, 2018, 9:37 am
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We can only pray he gets that call!!
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Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: OldSeawolf
Date: March 2, 2018, 9:39 am
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Nice article, thanks for sharing. Unfortunately, I think the
one telling statement in this article reinforces what BallHard
has been saying - the fact that there have been 6 call-ups this
season before Warney. I still hold out hope, would love the kid
to be given a chance, and realize his dream.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: March 2, 2018, 9:47 am
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> [quote author=Checkmate link=topic=531.msg21683#msg21683
date=1519949889]
> [quote author=sbufan link=topic=531.msg21672#msg21672
date=1519937035]
> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=531.msg21670#msg21670
date=1519936412]
> [quote author=Ballhard000 link=topic=531.msg21662#msg21662
date=1519923169]
> I'm right with you.
>
> "As of now, Otchere hasn’t trimmed his list and is keeping his
options open. In March, he’ll try and cut it down to five
schools and is looking to make a decision in April or May.
Otchere will have three years of eligibility left when he
enrolls in a division one program in the fall."
>
> That was from that Zagsblog article posted in here not to long
ago.
> Link:
HTML http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/02/18/2018-juco-center-jeffrey-otchere-talks-recruiting-development/
>
> This month would be great with a run at the AE title and SB
being in Otchere's final 5
>
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Sounds like if he doesnt get an offer from a high major and only
mid major offers, Otchere likes Fordham.. Or Wichita State..
Cant blame him one bit going out West!!
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Zags Blog has a new york city focus and probably asked about
Fordham since it's in the Bronx. I think the big takeaway is
that he wants to make an impact and play right away, which we
can offer with the graduation of Petrus and Sturdivant leaving a
big void down low. Boals can also talk up his experience
coaching NBA players Evan Turner, D'angelo Russell, and Jared
Sullinger while at Ohio State. I'm not confident we can land
him, but it seems within reason.
[/quote]
The bit about immediate playing time has to be a huuuuuge
selling point. He could come in and almost be guaranteed 25-30
minutes a night for the next three years. I wonder why he
doesn’t see that kind of burn at GCCC.
Maybe foul trouble - eek. 11 minutes in each of the last two
games, 5 fouls and 4 fouls. Whatever. Take the good with the
bad.
Let’s get Jameel on the phone with him. Of the schools who are
after him, who has a more decorated big, a freakin USA
Basketball POY, like we do with Warney?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Juco's not a big mans game. Very guard oriented.
For comparison sake, it's a 6'10 Juco big named Jehthro
Tshisumpa Mbiya from San Jacinto Central College. Kid is
committed to Mississippi State. His averages were 8.3 PPG and
6.5 RPG in 20 minutes per game. He'also averaged 3.8 blocks per
game. Otchere's Scoring and Rebounding averages are slightly
under the Mbiya kids averages and his blocks per game average
was the same while he played 6 minutes more per game than
Otchere and this kid is a transfer from Arizona State who then
went Juco for this past season and is now headed to Mississippi
State.
Otchere has more Total blocks than Mbiya.
I bring Mbiya into the equation because its an example of how
gifted bigs don't get off in juco,but also to say SB is in the
running for a kid who is a better defender than Power 5
conference bigs.
Otchere's offense needs to round out and he needs to be more
disciplined to not get in foul trouble. I've watched a few
Garden City games on YouTube and that's been my conclusion.
Also he has a STUD Freshman big man at his Juco, From New Jersey
6'8 kid averaging 17 and 9. Potent offensive player. Name is
Jamir Thomas. Maybe SB lands otchere in 2018 and gets his
teammate in 2019. That would be outrageous. Thomas is a better
offensive option than Otchere and plays more. Kid can space the
court with shooting and bang inside with a 245 pound frame and
nimble feet.
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I see it with Otchere, but on video, Thomas didn't jump out at
this stud like you suggest. His production in HS and now at GCCC
is undeniable – another double-double last night. Wide body,
physical, skilled offensively, but not an explosive athlete nor
a big-time defender. He committed to D-II Felician out of HS but
ended up at GCCC and has put up big-time numbers. For me, it's
hard to tell what that means. GCCC's all-conference guys haven't
exactly shown up at premier D-I programs and been stars – West
Alabama, a deep bench guy at UIC, Rio Grande, etc etc. He's
produced everywhere he's gone so maybe he's Cori Spencer.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Ballhard000
Date: March 2, 2018, 11:24 am
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Great article. I hope Warney's dream comes true.He knocking
right on the door
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Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Ballhard000
Date: March 2, 2018, 11:48 am
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--- Quote from: Checkmate link ---
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> [quote author=Ballhard000 link=topic=531.msg21696#msg21696
date=1519986269]
> [quote author=Checkmate link=topic=531.msg21683#msg21683
date=1519949889]
> [quote author=sbufan link=topic=531.msg21672#msg21672
date=1519937035]
> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=531.msg21670#msg21670
date=1519936412]
> [quote author=Ballhard000 link=topic=531.msg21662#msg21662
date=1519923169]
> I'm right with you.
>
> "As of now, Otchere hasn’t trimmed his list and is keeping his
options open. In March, he’ll try and cut it down to five
schools and is looking to make a decision in April or May.
Otchere will have three years of eligibility left when he
enrolls in a division one program in the fall."
>
> That was from that Zagsblog article posted in here not to long
ago.
> Link:
HTML http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/02/18/2018-juco-center-jeffrey-otchere-talks-recruiting-development/
>
> This month would be great with a run at the AE title and SB
being in Otchere's final 5
>
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Sounds like if he doesnt get an offer from a high major and only
mid major offers, Otchere likes Fordham.. Or Wichita State..
Cant blame him one bit going out West!!
[/quote]
Zags Blog has a new york city focus and probably asked about
Fordham since it's in the Bronx. I think the big takeaway is
that he wants to make an impact and play right away, which we
can offer with the graduation of Petrus and Sturdivant leaving a
big void down low. Boals can also talk up his experience
coaching NBA players Evan Turner, D'angelo Russell, and Jared
Sullinger while at Ohio State. I'm not confident we can land
him, but it seems within reason.
[/quote]
The bit about immediate playing time has to be a huuuuuge
selling point. He could come in and almost be guaranteed 25-30
minutes a night for the next three years. I wonder why he
doesn’t see that kind of burn at GCCC.
Maybe foul trouble - eek. 11 minutes in each of the last two
games, 5 fouls and 4 fouls. Whatever. Take the good with the
bad.
Let’s get Jameel on the phone with him. Of the schools who are
after him, who has a more decorated big, a freakin USA
Basketball POY, like we do with Warney?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
[/quote]
Juco's not a big mans game. Very guard oriented.
For comparison sake, it's a 6'10 Juco big named Jehthro
Tshisumpa Mbiya from San Jacinto Central College. Kid is
committed to Mississippi State. His averages were 8.3 PPG and
6.5 RPG in 20 minutes per game. He'also averaged 3.8 blocks per
game. Otchere's Scoring and Rebounding averages are slightly
under the Mbiya kids averages and his blocks per game average
was the same while he played 6 minutes more per game than
Otchere and this kid is a transfer from Arizona State who then
went Juco for this past season and is now headed to Mississippi
State.
Otchere has more Total blocks than Mbiya.
I bring Mbiya into the equation because its an example of how
gifted bigs don't get off in juco,but also to say SB is in the
running for a kid who is a better defender than Power 5
conference bigs.
Otchere's offense needs to round out and he needs to be more
disciplined to not get in foul trouble. I've watched a few
Garden City games on YouTube and that's been my conclusion.
Also he has a STUD Freshman big man at his Juco, From New Jersey
6'8 kid averaging 17 and 9. Potent offensive player. Name is
Jamir Thomas. Maybe SB lands otchere in 2018 and gets his
teammate in 2019. That would be outrageous. Thomas is a better
offensive option than Otchere and plays more. Kid can space the
court with shooting and bang inside with a 245 pound frame and
nimble feet.
[/quote]
I see it with Otchere, but on video, Thomas didn't jump out at
this stud like you suggest. His production in HS and now at GCCC
is undeniable – another double-double last night. Wide body,
physical, skilled offensively, but not an explosive athlete nor
a big-time defender. He committed to D-II Felician out of HS but
ended up at GCCC and has put up big-time numbers. For me, it's
hard to tell what that means. GCCC's all-conference guys haven't
exactly shown up at premier D-I programs and been stars – West
Alabama, a deep bench guy at UIC, Rio Grande, etc etc. He's
produced everywhere he's gone so maybe he's Cori Spencer.
[/quote]
Thomas has been a knucklehead. Academically he wouldn't qualify
for D1 but he would for D2 which is why he committed there in
high school. He played high level AAU ball in high school with
the NJ PLAYAZ and wasn't a bench warmer. Had he took care of
his grades and attitude in high school. We wouldn't be having
this discussion. As for former Garden City players production
once they go D1 i'd attribute that more to the GCCC program and
how they prepare kids for the rigors of D1 ball. But the kids
are actually talented. In JUCO the best states are Florida,Texas
and Kansas. When a player is putting up numbers in Kansas Juco
ball. He can play. 3 of the top 25 ranked Jucos this season are
in the same conference Otchere and Thomas compete in. They faced
each team twice. Thomas had big outings in 4 of those 6 total
games. He put 27 pts and 15 rebs on Hutchinson CC in a
competitive game with a final score 68-64. Hutch is one of the
top 25 teams and has high majors on their roster every year. His
stats are legit.
He isn't an explosive athlete but he's a sneaky athlete.If he
trims some he'd be a better athlete.
As you stated he's skilled offensively. Those skills are
allowing him to kill legit Juco comp. If his off the court stuff
is a thing of the pass he's one to snag.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Checkmate
Date: March 2, 2018, 8:00 pm
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Some recent footage of Alanzo Frink (among others). Definitely
some glimpses but I finished wanting to see more from him.
Roselle Catholic is no joke, but still, he looked like about the
eighth best player on the floor - just not active enough on the
glass or defensively for me. Give me the Omoruyi kid in a couple
years though!
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Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Ballhard000
Date: March 3, 2018, 12:07 am
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HTML https://youtu.be/LxapHl4O_qk
>
> Some recent footage of Alanzo Frink (among others). Definitely
some glimpses but I finished wanting to see more from him.
Roselle Catholic is no joke, but still, he looked like about the
eighth best player on the floor - just not active enough on the
glass or defensively for me. Give me the Omoruyi kid in a couple
years though!
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
>
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You're spot on with your evaluation
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Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: March 3, 2018, 5:58 am
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>
HTML https://youtu.be/LxapHl4O_qk
>
> Some recent footage of Alanzo Frink (among others). Definitely
some glimpses but I finished wanting to see more from him.
Roselle Catholic is no joke, but still, he looked like about the
eighth best player on the floor - just not active enough on the
glass or defensively for me. Give me the Omoruyi kid in a couple
years though!
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
>
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From this game I was not impressed with Alanzo Frink.
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