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Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Ballhard000
Date: March 2, 2018, 4:24 am
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--- Quote from: Checkmate link ---
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> [quote author=sbufan link=topic=531.msg21672#msg21672
date=1519937035]
> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=531.msg21670#msg21670
date=1519936412]
> [quote author=Ballhard000 link=topic=531.msg21662#msg21662
date=1519923169]
> I'm right with you.
>
> "As of now, Otchere hasn’t trimmed his list and is keeping his
options open. In March, he’ll try and cut it down to five
schools and is looking to make a decision in April or May.
Otchere will have three years of eligibility left when he
enrolls in a division one program in the fall."
>
> That was from that Zagsblog article posted in here not to long
ago.
> Link:
HTML http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/02/18/2018-juco-center-jeffrey-otchere-talks-recruiting-development/
>
> This month would be great with a run at the AE title and SB
being in Otchere's final 5
>
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Sounds like if he doesnt get an offer from a high major and only
mid major offers, Otchere likes Fordham.. Or Wichita State..
Cant blame him one bit going out West!!
[/quote]
Zags Blog has a new york city focus and probably asked about
Fordham since it's in the Bronx. I think the big takeaway is
that he wants to make an impact and play right away, which we
can offer with the graduation of Petrus and Sturdivant leaving a
big void down low. Boals can also talk up his experience
coaching NBA players Evan Turner, D'angelo Russell, and Jared
Sullinger while at Ohio State. I'm not confident we can land
him, but it seems within reason.
[/quote]
The bit about immediate playing time has to be a huuuuuge
selling point. He could come in and almost be guaranteed 25-30
minutes a night for the next three years. I wonder why he
doesn’t see that kind of burn at GCCC.
Maybe foul trouble - eek. 11 minutes in each of the last two
games, 5 fouls and 4 fouls. Whatever. Take the good with the
bad.
Let’s get Jameel on the phone with him. Of the schools who are
after him, who has a more decorated big, a freakin USA
Basketball POY, like we do with Warney?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
[/quote]
Juco's not a big mans game. Very guard oriented.
For comparison sake, it's a 6'10 Juco big named Jehthro
Tshisumpa Mbiya from San Jacinto Central College. Kid is
committed to Mississippi State. His averages were 8.3 PPG and
6.5 RPG in 20 minutes per game. He'also averaged 3.8 blocks per
game. Otchere's Scoring and Rebounding averages are slightly
under the Mbiya kids averages and his blocks per game average
was the same while he played 6 minutes more per game than
Otchere and this kid is a transfer from Arizona State who then
went Juco for this past season and is now headed to Mississippi
State.
Otchere has more Total blocks than Mbiya.
I bring Mbiya into the equation because its an example of how
gifted bigs don't get off in juco,but also to say SB is in the
running for a kid who is a better defender than Power 5
conference bigs.
Otchere's offense needs to round out and he needs to be more
disciplined to not get in foul trouble. I've watched a few
Garden City games on YouTube and that's been my conclusion.
Also he has a STUD Freshman big man at his Juco, From New Jersey
6'8 kid averaging 17 and 9. Potent offensive player. Name is
Jamir Thomas. Maybe SB lands otchere in 2018 and gets his
teammate in 2019. That would be outrageous. Thomas is a better
offensive option than Otchere and plays more. Kid can space the
court with shooting and bang inside with a 245 pound frame and
nimble feet.
#Post#: 21697--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Ballhard000
Date: March 2, 2018, 6:15 am
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Otchere's offense is mostly Drop off passes that he turns into
explosive dunks or finishes with a power lay up or gets contact
to go to the line.8 out of 10 times that's the result he gets on
dribble drive and dump off.(Garden City Guards don't dump off
enough). On pick and roll he can catch and finish. He dives to
hard after setting a screen. His feet are so quick that he can
slip a screen faster a defense can call it out which would cause
all kinds of havoc with a steady guard handling it. He can also
screen and rescreen faster than 99% of bigs due to those cat
quick feet. Picture getting screened on your left and before you
can turn your head the same guy is screening you on your right,
you'll be stuck. And the ball handler you're defending is
barreling down the lane while Otchere is rolling to the rim.
He's a great vertical spacer in the mold a guy like Jarrett
Allen from the Brooklyn Nets. You can Lob it up to him in
transition, halfcourt or broken plays. The guards at Garden City
have lobbed the ball up to him maybe 5 times all season in the
games I've seen. And I've spotted over 20 scenarios where a
simple on- line lob would of resulted in 2 points for them. His
right hand jump hook on the baseline or going middle is
respectable. He seals hard too. His guards give him the ball 3
out of every 10 times he seals his man. I feel his right hand
jump hook is reliable enough that I'd give it to him every time
he has a guy sealed really well. This jump hook is a catch and
go up jump hook or a one dribble then go up Jump hook. He
doesn't take a lot of dribbles and seems like he isn't confident
in putting the ball on the ground. Lots of room for growth
there. With his quickness, if he could face up and put it on the
floor, it would be scary. Guys with his foot speed almost
exclusively face up. His skill set does not allow him to do so
currently. He needs to improve his left hand also. If he goes
over his right shoulder he still likes to favor his right hand.
Not a good thing. Remember how good warney was going over that
right shoulder with his left hand!! Otchere's reach is so high
that very few people on any level of basketball would be able to
block it. He's taken 2 mid range jumpers in all the games I've
watched and no 3's. He shot in the 30's from the line in the
first half of the year shot in the 50's from the line the second
half of the year. You can visibly see some tweaks in his
approach to the free throw line in the second half of his
season. That's a great sign. Means the kid took some coaching
and implemented it during a season. His offense also includes
put backs. I believe of his 5 rebounds per game. 2 were
offensive. Let's remember that's at 15 minutes per game. Give
him 25 minutes per and that's 4 offensive rebounds he'll get. He
converts half of his offensive rebounds.Sometimes in the putback
dunk variety. He also offensive rebounds then kicks it out to
reset the O. His quick feet once again help him in this
department. He doesn't also get inside position but his agility
and motor allows him to track the ball when his teammates miss.
He'll need to get position then track the ball at the next level
but there is something there.
If he free throw production can continue going upward. He may be
able to shoot 60% for a season. Whatever tweaks he's been making
are bringing results. Which leads me to believe he can become a
respectable Mid range jump shooter in the next couple of years.
Free throw improvement typically indicates a player can improve
as a shooter overall. That's Pretty much Otchere's current
offensive game, His offensive upside and why he produces the way
he does now.
If Otchere were a Seawolf for the upcoming Albany game tomorrow
and played 20 minutes I could see him putting up better numbers
than he does in Juco because Boals would make sure he touched
the ball more.
He'd run a lob play or 2 for him. He'd get him in pick and rolls
diving to the rim, a kid like McKenzie would be looking for him
and find him a lot better than his current Juco teammates do.
He'd get 2 rim running buckets off long misses that a guard
rebounds. Rim running baskets are automatic for guys that
gifted. 2 rim running baskets may be underestimating but not
trying to go overboard. He'd get 1 offensive putback. Thats with
his ability today just a better surrounding cast and more
touches and more playing time.
After a full summer with a college staff there is no telling the
kind of impact he'd be able to make from Day 1 if he puts on Red
and white.
His defensive acumen speaks for itself. He'd be the best
defender in the AE today.
Scary part is Otchere can get better there also. He stands up on
the perimeter a lot. Takes bad angles at times, his physical
gifts allow him to recover. Times he does sit in a stance even
guards have a hard time getting past him.Also he doesn't block
shots with his left hand much, if he did he'd stop reaching
across himself with his right hand and collecting silly fouls in
the process. There is still major upside to his defense and
that's his calling card.
If Otchere becomes a Seawolf and continues improving over the
summer and becomes less foul prone I could envision a season
like this for him as Sophomore:
25 minutes per, 12-14 Points Per, 8 Rebounds Per, 4 blocks Per,
1 steal per
55% FT, 60% FG
Favorite for DPOY in the AE
#Post#: 21698--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Moveitfred
Date: March 2, 2018, 6:39 am
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--- Quote from: Hammertime link ---
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> Warney probably lost close to a Million Dollars already
hanging around with the G league, Legends..
>
--- End Quote ---
Yep, from where I sit that's exactly what I think, too. There is
obviously a very short window of time these players can make
money playing a game, and of course the related possibility of
taking care of that money and what it could do for you later in
life....
Cannot help but draw the parallel to Coppenwrath, who I thought
did exactly the right thing by going overseas right away.
#Post#: 21699--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: OldSeawolf
Date: March 2, 2018, 6:44 am
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Wow Ballhard, some excellent analysis here. Definitely whetting
our appetite on this kid. I sure hope we land him.
Sounds like you might be a scout for a living too. Keep up the
great works with the analysis!
#Post#: 21700--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: OldSeawolf
Date: March 2, 2018, 6:50 am
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--- Quote from: Moveitfred link ---
>
> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=531.msg21692#msg21692
date=1519968650]
> Warney probably lost close to a Million Dollars already
hanging around with the G league, Legends..
>
--- End Quote ---
Yep, from where I sit that's exactly what I think, too. There is
obviously a very short window of time these players can make
money playing a game, and of course the related possibility of
taking care of that money and what it could do for you later in
life....
Cannot help but draw the parallel to Coppenwrath, who I thought
did exactly the right thing by going overseas right away.
[/quote]
Yeah, I've said the same with Warney in the past. Not sure
about $ 1 MM forfeited over the last 2 years, but easily $
300k/year over the last 2. But even a 10-day contract pales in
comparison in what he could make overseas. I agree with
BallHard in what he may be missing, but it looks like he's
expanded his game a bit with that 18-20 foot jumper. He's such
a good kid - I hope he's seeing the big picture clearly, as his
biological clock is ticking here, and hope he's being given
solid advice. Of course, still holding out hope that Dallas
does him a solid and offer him a 10-day before the season ends.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Moveitfred
Date: March 2, 2018, 7:04 am
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--- Quote from: Ballhard000 link ---
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>
> He'd get him in pick and rolls diving to the rim, a kid like
McKenzie would be looking for him and find him a lot better than
his current Juco teammates do.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Great point. Depending on if Boals can land a player like this
in the next couple of years might be the difference between
McKenzie being a forgettable Seawolf vs that guy we won't forget
as the (probably non-scoring) quarterback who took us back to
the NCAAs.
#Post#: 21702--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Ballhard000
Date: March 2, 2018, 7:40 am
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--- Quote from: OldSeawolf link ---
>
> Wow Ballhard, some excellent analysis here. Definitely
whetting our appetite on this kid. I sure hope we land him.
>
> Sounds like you might be a scout for a living too. Keep up
the great works with the analysis!
>
--- End Quote ---
Haha lol Thanks my man.Wish I were a scout. I coach very very
low level AAU. D2- D3 type kids. But I keep up with what's going
on with 5 star prospects and so on. Keep up with the draft,
Dleague, European and Australian ball( Great hoops down under).
Read a lot of Nba writer Evals and have been blessed enough to
hold convos and get to know some real heavy hitters on the
corporate side of hoops. In my spare time I watch a lot of film.
High school,AAU,JUCO,D1,D2,D3,Pro game and women's College. Kind
of how I have an Idea why the great Jameel Warney isn't getting
his proper acclaim. From what I've gathered it's because he
isn't a "switch type" in pick and roll which is 60% of most
teams offense. Half of the time you've got to switch in today's
NBA. Picture Warney switching onto John Wall, Dame
Lillard,Kyrie,Lou Will,Westbrook,Kyle Lowry and so on.
Undersized bigs like Trevor Booker don't have that issue. And he
does what Warney can do on offense and is more athletic for
comparison sake of two 6'7 guys that play in the Front Court. If
Warney were a 3 point Threat some NBA team may look past his
perimeter defense shortcomings.
#Post#: 21703--------------------------------------------------
Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Ballhard000
Date: March 2, 2018, 7:42 am
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--- Quote from: Moveitfred link ---
>
> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=531.msg21692#msg21692
date=1519968650]
> Warney probably lost close to a Million Dollars already
hanging around with the G league, Legends..
>
--- End Quote ---
Yep, from where I sit that's exactly what I think, too. There is
obviously a very short window of time these players can make
money playing a game, and of course the related possibility of
taking care of that money and what it could do for you later in
life....
Cannot help but draw the parallel to Coppenwrath, who I thought
did exactly the right thing by going overseas right away.
[/quote]
Going Across water is almost always better than playing in the
Gleague. Gleaguers get small compensation.Warney would of gotten
200K at minimum coming out of College across water.
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Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: March 2, 2018, 7:51 am
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--- Quote from: Ballhard000 link ---
>
> [quote author=OldSeawolf link=topic=531.msg21699#msg21699
date=1519994658]
> Wow Ballhard, some excellent analysis here. Definitely
whetting our appetite on this kid. I sure hope we land him.
>
> Sounds like you might be a scout for a living too. Keep up
the great works with the analysis!
>
--- End Quote ---
Haha lol Thanks my man.Wish I were a scout. I coach very very
low level AAU. D2- D3 type kids. But I keep up with what's going
on with 5 star prospects and so on. Keep up with the draft,
Dleague, European and Australian ball( Great hoops down under).
Read a lot of Nba writer Evals and have been blessed enough to
hold convos and get to know some real heavy hitters on the
corporate side of hoops. In my spare time I watch a lot of film.
High school,AAU,JUCO,D1,D2,D3,Pro game and women's College. Kind
of how I have an Idea why the great Jameel Warney isn't getting
his proper acclaim. From what I've gathered it's because he
isn't a "switch type" in pick and roll which is 60% of most
teams offense. Half of the time you've got to switch in today's
NBA. Picture Warney switching onto John Wall, Dame
Lillard,Kyrie,Lou Will,Westbrook,Kyle Lowry and so on.
Undersized bigs like Trevor Booker don't have that issue. And he
does what Warney can do on offense and is more athletic for
comparison sake of two 6'7 guys that play in the Front Court. If
Warney were a 3 point Threat some NBA team may look past his
perimeter defense shortcomings.
[/quote]
Very good observation, Ball. I also see with Warney he is not a
fast dribbler. When Warney rebounds the ball he always looks for
a guard to take the ball up court. Keep an eye on that.. AS far
as his long ball. Warney never attempted a 3 ball at SB and that
is why I think he got over looked in the NBA draft.. However, he
is making 3 pointers this season. If he can do that on a
consistence basis, like you say I think some team might over
look a couple of his deficits..
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Re: 2018 Recruiting
DIR By: ry1nik
Date: March 2, 2018, 7:54 am
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--- Quote from: Ballhard000 link ---
>
> [quote author=Moveitfred link=topic=531.msg21698#msg21698
date=1519994380]
> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=531.msg21692#msg21692
date=1519968650]
> Warney probably lost close to a Million Dollars already
hanging around with the G league, Legends..
>
--- End Quote ---
Yep, from where I sit that's exactly what I think, too. There is
obviously a very short window of time these players can make
money playing a game, and of course the related possibility of
taking care of that money and what it could do for you later in
life....
Cannot help but draw the parallel to Coppenwrath, who I thought
did exactly the right thing by going overseas right away.
[/quote]
Going Across water is almost always better than playing in the
Gleague. Gleaguers get small compensation.Warney would of gotten
200K at minimum coming out of College across water.
[/quote]
He’s been on the cusp of an NBA slot so it’s a case of taking
one step back to potentially take two steps forward. He still
has a number of good earning years ahead to play in Europe if
the NBA door closes.
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