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#Post#: 11605--------------------------------------------------
Recruits vs Transfers
By: jaghatai Date: September 15, 2014, 12:28 am
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This is more of a "theory" than an analysis, and I wanted to
hear other opinions on this. I think the current program is
starting to head in a direction that is problematic...
The first problem is that we're obviously not throwing the ball
very well. Which means we have to rely on the running game even
more. WR recruits are going to see us running 80% of the time
(and when we do throw, it's ineffectively). Would this
discourage the good WR recruits from coming here? And without
quality WR recruits, our passing game suffers further, so we
lean heavier on the run, and we've now created a cycle that
feeds itself. I can't really think of any decently rated WR
recruit in the past bunch of years (Jordan Gush was highly
rated, but his father was our coordinator, so that doesn't
count).
Another recruiting problem is getting kids to come here out of
high school. Considering that we red-shirt every incoming
freshman, they know they'll spend a year off the field. And
Priore has shown he doesn't play freshmen unless he is forced
to. Then look at our starting offense, we've got 2 transfer
WR's (Level, Coxson), 2 transfer RB's (Bedell, Coker), a
transfer TE (Tye), and 2 transfer QB's (Kinder, Bednarski). The
message it seems to send is that you spend a year red-shirting,
then while you are a Freshman you don't really play either
(thats 2 years away), and when you're finally in a position to
play, you'll probably be replaced by a transferring FBS kid.
Remember, these are kids who have been "the best" at their
school for years. Telling them they are basically just
placeholders for FBS transfers is not a great sales-pitch.
A further recruiting problem is who we are targeting. We've got
8 QB's on our roster right now (nine if you count D'Amato). Why
is this? If it's the "lottery ticket" approach, where you
recruit in volume and hope one hits, then you have to give them
playing time (not only in games, but they got no run in spring
game or scrimmages either). Otherwise you're going by practice
reps, and how many of those are there to go around to 8 QB's?
Plus, who are they working with? Having the 8th string QB throw
to the 6th string WR means neither is going to look good. Seems
extremely inefficient and a waste of resources (ie,
scholarships, recruiting time, and practice/development time)
Lastly, most of our FBS recruits are kids "coming home". I
concede that a vast majority of the JUCO/FBS transfers are
better athletes/prospects/players than freshman recruits. But
the top-level teams don't let prospects go easily, so if they're
transferring, there has to be a reason they were let go. I'm
not saying that the kids are bad kids, just that they all have a
reason they left their previous school. This simply means that
the coaching staff needs to spend extra time devoted to vetting
and research. That's time and resources that could be used
elsewhere.
Given all of these things, we seem to be handling things very
inefficiently, wasting resources, and as a result we're relying
on transfers exclusively for all of our skill positions. This
makes me a bit nervous about the direction the program is
moving. The coaching staff has done a wonderful job getting us
to the level we are at today. But i'm worried that they have
plateau'd, and their system and structure doesn't work at the
higher FCS levels. Plenty of college coaches can't hack it in
the NFL. Plenty of High School coaches can't handle college.
Maybe the current staff could handle the Big South but the CAA
is too much.
Or am I just being overly critical and taking a glass-half-empty
view of things?
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Re: Recruits vs Transfers
By: Chairman of the Board Date: September 15, 2014, 8:22 am
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[quote]WR recruits are going to see us running 80% of the time
(and when we do throw, it's ineffectively).
[/quote]
Interesting thoughts. When this happened to Nebraska 15 years
ago, you see the tide turning away from the power I and option
game and into the air raid / west coast / spread offenses. Ill
admit its a bit gimmicky at times, but its also pervaded through
the NFL and even some HS. I think its like anything else; it
goes in waves and cycles.
To play on the example above, Eric Crouch won a heisman and no
team even wanted him. Maybe New England or someone picked him
up as a WR convert and dropped him weeks later (if i remember
right). WRs wouldnt sign, Nebraska relied on its once-vaunted
"blackshirt" defense, and an athletic Miami crushed them in the
national championship because they playbook was a predictable
option right, option left.
I do see what you're saying about the chemistry of the team
considering its partially built by FBS transfers, which is
starting to come back to bite (maybe?). It was originally meant
to plug immediate holes rather than to cultivate talent
organically. A healthy mix is probably best.
#Post#: 11651--------------------------------------------------
Re: Recruits vs Transfers
By: Chrissy D. Date: September 18, 2014, 1:20 pm
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I fully agree with Jag. I think it is becoming an epidemic with
all the transfers. Filling in needs is one thing, just plugging
in a guy cause he transferred down doesn't always work. I feel
that Kinder was handed an opportunity that he didn't necessarily
deserved. Take Bednarski, who came in as a January recruit from
JUCO, who has been here for a while now. Being that he
redshirted last yr I would think at this time he knows the
system and his recievers a lot better than Kinder. I also agree
with what you said about incoming recruits being redshirted and
putting the time in, and then maybe losing an opportunity to
play when a transfer arrives. I don't think all freshman should
be redshirted. I think those who are ready should be used on
special teams early on to get their feet wet. And you are right,
if kids see this trend continuing they might not choose to come
here. If you look at other FCS schools, they are mostly local
players with a few transfers. Our best players and teams were
the ones that had local talent as well as players who were
recruited by SB. Team chemistry is huge in football and you
don't want to create a hired gun mentality. Example of Will Tye
returning punts ( fair catching ) drives me nuts. This team
benefited greatly when Jackolski was flipping field position
with his returns. You mean to tell me that their are no other
skill position guys on the roster that can return punts. I think
you have to find a role for your bench players and special teams
is part of that. I was looking forward to see how Dakota
Everette would play after watching him in the spring gm. But
once Cassell transferred in he lost his spot. And if you look at
who are best players are ( not the most potential ) they are the
ones that SB recruited ( Cheesboro, Ricard, Lisi, Anderson,
Allen, Russ, Thompson ) to name a few. Bedell I always felt was
a FCS player and that's a transfer that has worked. Can anyone
tell me that Coker is better for this team than Kenner. Again
it's not always the potential, it's the guy who performs.
#Post#: 11653--------------------------------------------------
Re: Recruits vs Transfers
By: Seawolf97 Date: September 18, 2014, 2:47 pm
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The danger with all the transfers is you get a 1 done mentality
at skill positions more that just the QB. Tye returning kicks
is crazy , use a rookie running back or a back up to return.
Tye is beast at the end position . I guess we will see how this
season plays out but I will stick with my 3-9 or 4-8 record
for 2014. Not good with an AD that wants to make football the
center piece of our Athletic program.
#Post#: 11654--------------------------------------------------
Re: Recruits vs Transfers
By: Hammertime Date: September 18, 2014, 3:49 pm
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[quote author=Seawolf97 link=topic=404.msg11653#msg11653
date=1411069632]
The danger with all the transfers is you get a 1 done mentality
at skill positions more that just the QB. Tye returning kicks
is crazy , use a rookie running back or a back up to return.
Tye is beast at the end position . I guess we will see how this
season plays out but I will stick with my 3-9 or 4-8 record
for 2014. Not good with an AD that wants to make football the
center piece of our Athletic program.
[/quote]
I say 4 and 8 is more likely after watching 3 games. This should
fire up our AD
#Post#: 11655--------------------------------------------------
Re: Recruits vs Transfers
By: BigFatFan Date: September 18, 2014, 8:36 pm
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I think there is a difference between a JUCO kid and an outright
transfer from a FBS school. JUCO kids have paid their dues,
believe me. probably lightly recruited out of HS, they used a
JUCO program to improve their games and get a second shot at
being recruited after one or two years at the JUCO level.
Frankly,some of these transfers we have, not naming anyone, had
stars in their eyes when they accepted FBS scholarship offers
and spurned FCS programs out of HS. Now, some of these kids,
buried on the depth charts at various programs, look to the FCS
level to get a shot at playing. I think SB needs a combination
of both JUCO and transfers to bolster their rosters. We are not
as bad as some programs that take truckloads of transfers after
the FBS spring depth charts are set. I've commented on this
before. I dont think a lack of chemistry between the home-grown
recruits, JUCO kids and transfers is what ails us this season.
I had first hand reports that the chemistry going into the
season was excellent among the kids that had been with the
program for a year or more. The experiment with Kinder has set
us back, quite frankly. Bednarski or Hernandez should have been
the starter Game 1. But instead coaches went with the local
kid, and that has not worked out. And Bednarski is scrambling
to get some rhythm going during his stints on the field, and
Hernandez has not even seen the field except for placeholder
duties.
#Post#: 11656--------------------------------------------------
Re: Recruits vs Transfers
By: jaghatai Date: September 18, 2014, 10:10 pm
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I firmly believe that chemistry can't really be measured until
you have adversity. When things are going well, everybody gets
along (John Madden used to say that "winning is a great
deodorant").
I get nervous because every season builds on the previous one.
At the end of this year, we lose a ton of starters. And since
we're not allowing our underclassmen any playing time, next
season actually looks to be worse.
I really don't understand why we aren't using Jaheem Woods as
our PR. There are a bunch of other dudes who may be better than
Woods, but Woods is easily better than Tye (at returning punts).
As for the season: UND, Elon, JMU, Albany, and URI are all
winnable games. At the same time, they are all games we could
lose.
#Post#: 11657--------------------------------------------------
Re: Recruits vs Transfers
By: Chairman of the Board Date: September 19, 2014, 7:52 am
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[quote author=BigFatFan link=topic=404.msg11655#msg11655
date=1411090564]We are not as bad as some programs that take
truckloads of transfers after the FBS spring depth charts are
set. [/quote]
just curious... what programs are bigger offenders?
#Post#: 11658--------------------------------------------------
Re: Recruits vs Transfers
By: Hammertime Date: September 19, 2014, 8:23 am
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Jag. I brought up that point to the board last year about SB
using Tye as a point returner. The only thing I can think of
is, he was used as a punt returner in HS. He's clearly not a PR
evident of the UConn game. May times he should have let the ball
go into the endzone instead of calling a fair catch on the 5
yard line... But, I dont fault Tye one bit, it all comes down
the the special teams coach, something we clearly must work on.
As you stated earlier, we have options with regards to who we
can use. Again, it comes down to poor coaching..
#Post#: 11659--------------------------------------------------
Re: Recruits vs Transfers
By: BigFatFan Date: September 19, 2014, 8:46 am
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transfer offenders: from what I heard, Sam Houston State
brought in a ton of guys after the spring football. and a lot of
them became starters, bumping longer term players
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