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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: ry1nik Date: January 23, 2019, 12:19 pm
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[quote author=Wolffan link=topic=368.msg25322#msg25322
date=1548259006]
In some ways we are a victim of our own academic success and
stellar reputation. Long Island and NYC kids going SUNY now see
us as the top academic choice. Of course those kids are likely
to head home for the weekend...and some of the academic types
might not enjoy watching football in any case (This is an
admitted oversimplification.)
At the same time there are enough folks in the surrounding area
to give us near capacity crowds v good opponents and homecoming.
Just have to keep the style exciting and to keep winning.
Nothing like LaValle stadium on a sunny brisk day with the SBU
band blaring, and good football on the field...and a cold beer
in the beergarden to boot! Grab a few neighbors, hop on the
train, grab a pint at the Bench and walk on over to the action.
[/quote]
Good marketing image
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: sbufan Date: January 23, 2019, 3:58 pm
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I believe the more than half of Stony Brook's enrollment dorms
on campus, a number I was very surprised by a couple years ago.
The big issue, imo, is the local kids going home for the
weekend. My hope is that as the academic reputation rises, Stony
Brook can attract more out of state and international students,
students who will be on campus on the weekends. I think there's
a positive feedback loop where if there's more students staying
on campus for the weekend, it will encourage the local kids to
stay on campus too. More kids on campus on Saturday, the more
kids we will see at Saturday football games. Hopefully.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: January 23, 2019, 3:59 pm
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[quote author=Hammertime link=topic=368.msg25318#msg25318
date=1548239808]
This school will never have a student fan base, never. It
doesn't matter if we are in the FBS, FCS, P5 conference. Stony
Brook can, however, fill those empty student seats with people
from the local community, and from NYC. We just need to win
playoff games, as we should at this juncture.
[/quote]
I strongly disagree there. I remember those days in the Big
South. We had a packed student section in the South endzone. If
we had it before, we can get those kids back. Have the
demographics of the university changed that much in six years
that the students there now don't care to come to football
games? I do not believe that at all. I'll admit I'm not exactly
sure where we went wrong with getting the students out, but
that's definitely something to change. You don't get that home
field advantage without the students.
On the topic of community turnout I agree, if we went FBS we'd
get even greater support as FCS teams in large pro sports
markets tend to be invisible. FBS raises that profile a lot. I
believe we can have both though. Community support can be our
bread and butter given our location, but there's no reason we
can't get the kids out to games too. I see nothing good in
giving up.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: January 23, 2019, 4:01 pm
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[quote]Have the demographics of the university changed that much
in six years that the students there now don't care to come to
football games? I do not believe that at all.[/quote]
no, but what has happened in the last six years:
-bad press for contact sports, CTE, suicides, etc
-more and more and more distractions via handheld devices
-increased streaming allows for remote viewing
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: January 23, 2019, 4:05 pm
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[quote author=sbufan link=topic=368.msg25334#msg25334
date=1548280693]
I believe the more than half of Stony Brook's enrollment dorms
on campus, a number I was very surprised by a couple years ago.
The big issue, imo, is the local kids going home for the
weekend. My hope is that as the academic reputation rises, Stony
Brook can attract more out of state and international students,
students who will be on campus on the weekends. I think there's
a positive feedback loop where if there's more students staying
on campus for the weekend, it will encourage the local kids to
stay on campus too. More kids on campus on Saturday, the more
kids we will see at Saturday football games. Hopefully.
[/quote]
Out of state tuition has risen so much, that IIRC the number of
out of state kids as a percentage has dropped. SBU was a bargain
as an out of state student when I went there. Not so much now.
There's NYS also limiting tuition increases for the in-state
kids, so the OOS kids pay the bulk of it. SBU isn't like UC
Berkely yet where everybody wants to go here and thus we can
soak the out of state kids with more tuition. We're moving in
that direction, but it'll take time. Berkeley and UCLA have tons
of out of state kids since they're more profitable for the
school. CA kids complain all day about not being able to get in.
We don't have that issue yet.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Wolffan Date: January 23, 2019, 4:35 pm
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[quote author=sbufan link=topic=368.msg25334#msg25334
date=1548280693]
I believe the more than half of Stony Brook's enrollment dorms
on campus, a number I was very surprised by a couple years ago.
The big issue, imo, is the local kids going home for the
weekend. My hope is that as the academic reputation rises, Stony
Brook can attract more out of state and international students,
students who will be on campus on the weekends. I think there's
a positive feedback loop where if there's more students staying
on campus for the weekend, it will encourage the local kids to
stay on campus too. More kids on campus on Saturday, the more
kids we will see at Saturday football games. Hopefully.
[/quote]
Some of the brightest kids (with the highest SATs/ACTs) in the
nation are NYC/LI kids. That is why, for example, so many are
at the Ivies. It is also why SBU's rising reputation is
attracting so many other academically-oriented NYC/LI who might
otherwise attend elsewhere. Certainly the word is out that SBU
is the academic choice for the SUNY-bound and the price makes it
a no-brainer even for many of those NYC/LI kids also
considering selective private colleges. A Queens kid from Bronx
Science is quite likely to consider SBU - virtually unheard of
15 years ago.
At the same time, out-of-staters (who can qualify academically)
are not likely to cough up the high tuition notwithstanding our
enhanced academic reputation.
The downside [in a way] of our rising academic reputation, of
course, is that means more and more of our kids are likely to be
from NYC/LI...and less and less may be interested in viewing
football.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: iBOsbu Date: July 22, 2020, 11:19 am
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Just read this interesting article on ESPN fb homepage
HTML https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29424305/imagining-world-where-college-football-relegation-promotion
Being also fan of European, English soccer... promotion and
relegation would be a great idea. At least for football...king
of money making sports. Keep all other sports programs where
they are, conference wise, and only move football teams up and
down. Schools like Kansas, Vandy, Illinois, Oregon State bring
nothing to the football side of Big 12, SEC, B10, Pac12 etc.
would love to see UCFs of the G5 having a crack at the top
competition. Trickle down effect would be JMU having an
opportunity to compete against CUSA, MAC or AAC. And teams like
SBU with potentials...seeing real chance to prove themselves
will invest... knowing starting football 100 years late wouldn’t
be an obstacle.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: July 22, 2020, 3:30 pm
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[quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=368.msg30787#msg30787
date=1595434776]
Just read this interesting article on ESPN fb homepage
HTML https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29424305/imagining-world-where-college-football-relegation-promotion
Being also fan of European, English soccer... promotion and
relegation would be a great idea. At least for football...king
of money making sports. Keep all other sports programs where
they are, conference wise, and only move football teams up and
down. Schools like Kansas, Vandy, Illinois, Oregon State bring
nothing to the football side of Big 12, SEC, B10, Pac12 etc.
would love to see UCFs of the G5 having a crack at the top
competition. Trickle down effect would be JMU having an
opportunity to compete against CUSA, MAC or AAC. And teams like
SBU with potentials...seeing real chance to prove themselves
will invest... knowing starting football 100 years late wouldn’t
be an obstacle.
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This has been brought up before, but college athletics along
with football has too many logistical issues to have something
like this. Even if it was only for football it would be a
nightmare. Imagine getting relegated for a year? Your recruiting
falls apart. Scheduling is also a nightmare under such a system.
We'll sooner get a 16 team playoff in the FBS than something
with promotion and relegation. I don't like the idea.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: iBOsbu Date: July 22, 2020, 9:11 pm
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16 teams playoffs would be amazing especially if auto bid is
given to each conference champions.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: February 3, 2021, 3:34 pm
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regarding all the recent conference realignment talk in the
football threads- this is a piece, albeit a small piece:
HTML https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/breaking-asun-applies-for-2022-ncaa-tournament-aq-targets-utah-csu-romo-as-affiliates/57221
Breaking: ASUN Applies for 2022 NCAA Tournament AQ, Targets
Utah, CSU, RoMo as Affiliates
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