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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: guest369 Date: January 22, 2019, 12:00 pm
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As a current freshman, I can confirm that the kids here are
absolutely remorseless about being commuters. They don't care a
bit about staying for the games and will gladly disappear each
weekend to do god-knows-what. Maybe the school should think
about making dorming mandatory (I wish)
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: iBOsbu Date: January 22, 2019, 12:04 pm
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If Umass and Buffalo can't get into AAC, we have no chance. Even
JMU and Delaware are ahead of us if AAC ever need an eastern
schools. I think AAC would rather go west for BYU, SDSU or
Boise, in the unlikely even of departure.
One thing though is that a school does not have to be successful
program to upgrade to FBS, i.e. see Coastal Carolina and UNCC.
UNCC pretty much started, and went through 2 years of FCS, then
upgraded to FBS. They had good attendance from year one. Coastal
Carolina went from Big South to FBS!
I think we need to stop thinking like 2010~2012. I agree with
the some of you...make basketball priority. Get some NCAA
tourney appearances under our belt. Goal should be to replace
Vermont as the team to beat in AE. We can be the best mid major
team in northeast/mid-atlantic region outside A10. Make
ourselves attractive for A10. This is a more realistic goal.
And that doesn't mean drop football. But be smart and realistic
about it. We can keep up the good work. Although I was mad at
the time, Hofstra blocking us was a blessing in disguise. We
landed our football at the best FCS conference at this side of
the country. And we don't have to go to Carolinas for other
sports. If attendance improve dramatically we can join Buffalo.
If it doesn't, BB in A10 and FB in CAA is not bad.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: OldSeawolf Date: January 22, 2019, 12:18 pm
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Start small(er), and let's upgrade basketball first, and grab
some success there by getting into a better conference, and
doing some damage there (a couple of Tournament appearances).
Win, prove the upgrade concept and get some national notoriety,
and our other sports programs (football included) will get more
attention, have more upgrade options, and we can springboard off
that. These large-scale, immediate gratification moves rarely
work; this needs to be a long-term, calculated plan, IMO, with
multiple phases (that is, one sport at a time).
We've come a long way with football (I remember the Club
Football days back in the hay fields when many of you were still
in diapers), but I think FCS is treating us nicely at this
point, and forging ahead to FBS, for all of the reasons that
everyone has stated in this thread, may not be the best move in
the short-term, IMO. Let it be part of a long-term plan, if we
can get there, one step at a time.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: January 22, 2019, 12:29 pm
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[quote]These large-scale, immediate gratification moves rarely
work[/quote]
yep
like happy three point shooting
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: January 22, 2019, 1:27 pm
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[quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=368.msg25302#msg25302
date=1548180283]
If Umass and Buffalo can't get into AAC, we have no chance. Even
JMU and Delaware are ahead of us if AAC ever need an eastern
schools. I think AAC would rather go west for BYU, SDSU or
Boise, in the unlikely even of departure.
One thing though is that a school does not have to be successful
program to upgrade to FBS, i.e. see Coastal Carolina and UNCC.
UNCC pretty much started, and went through 2 years of FCS, then
upgraded to FBS. They had good attendance from year one. Coastal
Carolina went from Big South to FBS!
I think we need to stop thinking like 2010~2012. I agree with
the some of you...make basketball priority. Get some NCAA
tourney appearances under our belt. Goal should be to replace
Vermont as the team to beat in AE. We can be the best mid major
team in northeast/mid-atlantic region outside A10. Make
ourselves attractive for A10. This is a more realistic goal.
And that doesn't mean drop football. But be smart and realistic
about it. We can keep up the good work. Although I was mad at
the time, Hofstra blocking us was a blessing in disguise. We
landed our football at the best FCS conference at this side of
the country. And we don't have to go to Carolinas for other
sports. If attendance improve dramatically we can join Buffalo.
If it doesn't, BB in A10 and FB in CAA is not bad.
[/quote]
Those schools wouldn't get in right now because they don't need
to expand, but if Texas and Oklahoma leave the Big 12 in a
couple years and there's a mad scramble for schools, it's not
unreasonable that multiple spots in the AAC and CUSA could open
up. SBU should be prepared for that possibility. I'm still very
much pro FBS, just it needs to be with the right schools. Giving
up games against Vermont and Albany for Akron and Western
Michigan doesn't make sense. If we can get FBS games against
Buffalo, Temple, ODU, App St., JMU, Delaware, etc.? Then that
definitely is the move to make.
We can do a lot of damage in basketball and be a great program,
but we don't need to give up on our FBS goals to do so. I'm also
no longer convinced the A10 is all that great of a fit. They
have the history, but that conference has 14 teams, only 3-4 of
which are public schools. The conference has also struggled
mightily this year potentially only being a one bid conference.
Does being in a huge conference full of private schools serve
SBU? I'm not so sure. I'm not completely against moving
there,but the fit would be quite odd.
What would be interesting is an all-sports move to the CAA with
Albany, and potentially Vermont in tow with us. Given that the
CAA has a mix of publics and privates, that'd be a nicer fit
than the private heavy A10. The CAA with us and UVM in it could
definitely get a second tournament bid down the road. Hofstra
"blocked" us last time through influence, but their vote alone
can't block us if the other schools want us in the CAA. They
could tell Hofstra to go pound sand and vote us in anyway. ;D
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Hammertime Date: January 22, 2019, 4:56 pm
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[quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=368.msg25291#msg25291
date=1548175072]
The biggest obstacle in football is attendance and it's not
going to improve. We have now played 6 years of CAA football
hosting more familiar names than the unknown Big South teams.
But our average attendance has been constantly less 8k. Only
time we break the 10k attendance is homecoming games. 6 years
ago when we moved our football to CAA, I expected a steady rise
in attendance. That has not happened. Even if we go to FCS
quarterfinal or semifinals, I don't think its gonna change.
Can't blame Priore for college football apathy on Long Island.
Hofstra was averaging less than 5k before shutting their
football. I am getting more and more pessimistic about college
football on Long Island. I don't think "If you build it, they
will come" applies here. Am I wrong?
[/quote]
Wrong!!! Win Playoff games and the fans will come. The Media
will be jumping on top of each other to write articles on the
success of this school. Win the FCS Championship game and SB can
be another JMU. We just have to win the big games and the fans
will follow.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: January 22, 2019, 9:12 pm
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[quote author=Hammertime link=topic=368.msg25312#msg25312
date=1548197774]
[quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=368.msg25291#msg25291
date=1548175072]
The biggest obstacle in football is attendance and it's not
going to improve. We have now played 6 years of CAA football
hosting more familiar names than the unknown Big South teams.
But our average attendance has been constantly less 8k. Only
time we break the 10k attendance is homecoming games. 6 years
ago when we moved our football to CAA, I expected a steady rise
in attendance. That has not happened. Even if we go to FCS
quarterfinal or semifinals, I don't think its gonna change.
Can't blame Priore for college football apathy on Long Island.
Hofstra was averaging less than 5k before shutting their
football. I am getting more and more pessimistic about college
football on Long Island. I don't think "If you build it, they
will come" applies here. Am I wrong?
[/quote]
Wrong!!! Win Playoff games and the fans will come. The Media
will be jumping on top of each other to write articles on the
success of this school. Win the FCS Championship game and SB can
be another JMU. We just have to win the big games and the fans
will follow.
[/quote]
There's also the whole student attendance issue due to the
administration making stupid decisions. There's no good reason
for the student section to be empty playing JMU and Villanova,
when it was packed playing Gardner Webb, Presbyterian, and VMI.
Fix that issue and we're probably looking at close to 10k at
conference games.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Hammertime Date: January 23, 2019, 4:36 am
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[quote author=VA_Seawolf link=topic=368.msg25316#msg25316
date=1548213175]
[quote author=Hammertime link=topic=368.msg25312#msg25312
date=1548197774]
[quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=368.msg25291#msg25291
date=1548175072]
The biggest obstacle in football is attendance and it's not
going to improve. We have now played 6 years of CAA football
hosting more familiar names than the unknown Big South teams.
But our average attendance has been constantly less 8k. Only
time we break the 10k attendance is homecoming games. 6 years
ago when we moved our football to CAA, I expected a steady rise
in attendance. That has not happened. Even if we go to FCS
quarterfinal or semifinals, I don't think its gonna change.
Can't blame Priore for college football apathy on Long Island.
Hofstra was averaging less than 5k before shutting their
football. I am getting more and more pessimistic about college
football on Long Island. I don't think "If you build it, they
will come" applies here. Am I wrong?
[/quote]
Wrong!!! Win Playoff games and the fans will come. The Media
will be jumping on top of each other to write articles on the
success of this school. Win the FCS Championship game and SB can
be another JMU. We just have to win the big games and the fans
will follow.
[/quote]
There's also the whole student attendance issue due to the
administration making stupid decisions. There's no good reason
for the student section to be empty playing JMU and Villanova,
when it was packed playing Gardner Webb, Presbyterian, and VMI.
Fix that issue and we're probably looking at close to 10k at
conference games.
[/quote]
This school will never have a student fan base, never. It
doesn't matter if we are in the FBS, FCS, P5 conference. Stony
Brook can, however, fill those empty student seats with people
from the local community, and from NYC. We just need to win
playoff games, as we should at this juncture.
Another thing SB can do is bring in a prominent, well-known
assistant coach or coach from the FBS. Someone with ties to a
big school where all football fans are aware of and heard of.
Also, bring in a star QB who can light up the field. Fans like
entertainment. Coach P old style of play, run up the gut, just
doesnt cut it anymore in college football.. We want to see
action, big plays from our QB, deep passes down the field for
TD's, a QB who can scramble out of the pocket for 30 yards.
People also want to see trick plays, BIG plays that WOW's the
stadium.
Everything i mentioned comes with a heavy cost. I know that, but
I think that $$ will pay huge dividends for this school in the
long run. Assuming this is the direction SB wants to go....
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: ry1nik Date: January 23, 2019, 6:53 am
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"Fans like entertainment. Coach P old style of play, run up the
gut, just doesnt cut it anymore in college football.. We want to
see action, big plays from our QB, deep passes down the field
for TD's, a QB who can scramble out of the pocket for 30 yards.
People also want to see trick plays, BIG plays that WOW's the
stadium."
Agree. Teams need to win to draw fans, but winning with an
exciting style of play is what packs them in. Priore was a
running back in college and that unduly affects his recruiting
and play calling.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Wolffan Date: January 23, 2019, 9:56 am
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In some ways we are a victim of our own academic success and
stellar reputation. Long Island and NYC kids going SUNY now see
us as the top academic choice. Of course those kids are likely
to head home for the weekend...and some of the academic types
might not enjoy watching football in any case (This is an
admitted oversimplification.)
At the same time there are enough folks in the surrounding area
to give us near capacity crowds v good opponents and homecoming.
Just have to keep the style exciting and to keep winning.
Nothing like LaValle stadium on a sunny brisk day with the SBU
band blaring, and good football on the field...and a cold beer
in the beergarden to boot! Grab a few neighbors, hop on the
train, grab a pint at the Bench and walk on over to the action.
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