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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: iBOsbu Date: January 22, 2019, 9:39 am
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Looking at UConn and UMass's messy situations, here is my
question to fellow Seawolves fans? What is our main sport,
football or basketball?
If football is our main sport, then we should be improving
ourselves so that if there is a realignment in the
northeast/mid-atlantic region, we are ready for jump to FBS
along with JMU and Delaware, whether to an eastern CUSA division
with ODU and UNCC, or to an eastern MAC division with Buffalo.
Highly doubt an AAC invite. Also to keep in mind that joining
any of these conferences will push our athletic expenses through
the roof. The travel cost to Texas teams in CUSA won't be
sustainable. MAC might be more manageable but will they expand
after the failed experiments with UMass and Temple? Is being
independent an option, like UMASS?
If basketball is our main sport, then perhaps multi-bid A10
should be the goal while football stays FCS? Except a few
outlier (SLU and Dayton), most of the teams are in the east
coast.
What is our athletic department and university board's vision?
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: ry1nik Date: January 22, 2019, 10:00 am
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Can't answer for the university but the focus should be on
basketball. A university like SBU will never be able to elevate
its football program to a point of national prominence where it
attracts hordes of applicants, faculty, and donors as a result.
However, it does have a chance of fielding a basketball team
that makes it to the Sweet 16 or even higher. Of course for that
to happen, it has to first move to a better conference.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: January 22, 2019, 10:08 am
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while i love good football- i do want to point out that getting
to that next level will also invite the bad. you guys know what
im talking about
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: OldSeawolf Date: January 22, 2019, 10:11 am
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[quote author=ry1nik link=topic=368.msg25287#msg25287
date=1548172835]
Can't answer for the university but the focus should be on
basketball. A university like SBU will never be able to elevate
its football program to a point of national prominence where it
attracts hordes of applicants, faculty, and donors as a result.
However, it does have a chance of fielding a basketball team
that makes it to the Sweet 16 or even higher. Of course for that
to happen, it has to first move to a better conference.
[/quote]
Agree on all your points. Additionally, the cost, return on
investment, logistics (conference move, expansion of stadium,
parking issues) are major roadblocks, IMO. I'm a big proponent
of bite-sized, laser-focused deliverables, as opposed to going
after the whole enchilada. I think focusing on basketball and
moving to a more prestigious conference is the way to go moving
forward. I don't think our AD would agree with that though.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: iBOsbu Date: January 22, 2019, 10:37 am
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The biggest obstacle in football is attendance and it's not
going to improve. We have now played 6 years of CAA football
hosting more familiar names than the unknown Big South teams.
But our average attendance has been constantly less 8k. Only
time we break the 10k attendance is homecoming games. 6 years
ago when we moved our football to CAA, I expected a steady rise
in attendance. That has not happened. Even if we go to FCS
quarterfinal or semifinals, I don't think its gonna change.
Can't blame Priore for college football apathy on Long Island.
Hofstra was averaging less than 5k before shutting their
football. I am getting more and more pessimistic about college
football on Long Island. I don't think "If you build it, they
will come" applies here. Am I wrong?
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Seawolf97 Date: January 22, 2019, 10:51 am
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I would improve on basketball and leave football at the FCS
level . Boals seems to have a knack for recruiting some good
talent so lets out money behind that . I dont see football
advancing much further than where they are now . Basketball
draws and if the home schedule were to improve then we would be
see home crowds of 3.5k or better . Right now we are almost
there at 2.7k or 2.8k without the students and playing AE teams.
Other than the A10 not sure what conference would look at us
unless bring football along.
I watched Buffalo the other night against Eastern Michigan .
The game drew almost 7k without the students and the
announcers said the weather was bad outside. Not a bad draw but
they also have football . Its going to be tough whatever we
decide . But basketball should become more of a priority .
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: January 22, 2019, 11:19 am
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i think football attendance can improve, however, you need to
first remedy one very specific issue. kids on campus on
weekends. (trigger broken record)
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: January 22, 2019, 11:27 am
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[quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=368.msg25286#msg25286
date=1548171585]
Looking at UConn and UMass's messy situations, here is my
question to fellow Seawolves fans? What is our main sport,
football or basketball?
If football is our main sport, then we should be improving
ourselves so that if there is a realignment in the
northeast/mid-atlantic region, we are ready for jump to FBS
along with JMU and Delaware, whether to an eastern CUSA division
with ODU and UNCC, or to an eastern MAC division with Buffalo.
Highly doubt an AAC invite. Also to keep in mind that joining
any of these conferences will push our athletic expenses through
the roof. The travel cost to Texas teams in CUSA won't be
sustainable. MAC might be more manageable but will they expand
after the failed experiments with UMass and Temple? Is being
independent an option, like UMASS?
If basketball is our main sport, then perhaps multi-bid A10
should be the goal while football stays FCS? Except a few
outlier (SLU and Dayton), most of the teams are in the east
coast.
What is our athletic department and university board's vision?
[/quote]
The current CUSA situation is untenable long term and there is
likely going to be a split. I wouldn't rule out us being
considered to be put into that eastern half. Travel to Texas and
Louisiana for games isn't likely something we'd need to worry
about.
The reason the MAC experiments failed is that Temple was a
former Big East member with Big East ties that got them back
into that conference when appropriate, and UMASS didn't want to
sacrifice their spot in the A10, a better basketball league than
the MAC. We'd be a natural rival for Buffalo, and short of an
AAC invite, wouldn't be a flight risk. We're much more likely to
stick around than Temple or Umass were.
[quote author=ry1nik link=topic=368.msg25287#msg25287
date=1548172835]
Can't answer for the university but the focus should be on
basketball. A university like SBU will never be able to elevate
its football program to a point of national prominence where it
attracts hordes of applicants, faculty, and donors as a result.
However, it does have a chance of fielding a basketball team
that makes it to the Sweet 16 or even higher. Of course for that
to happen, it has to first move to a better conference.
[/quote]
I think you're both correct. SBU's location does lend itself to
being more of a basketball school, however, I don't take that to
mean we should abandon football. Having football, good football
does make us more attractive to conferences like the AAC down
the road or even higher conferences than that. The game is
changing, but for the foreseeable future, football still drives
the realignment bus. Fielding a competitive team will be
important.
I would still be prepared to expand Lavalle to 20k+ should an
invite to a suitable conference come along. We could upgrade
basketball today VIA the CAA or A10 if an invite came along
without impacting football. That's really something we ought to
look at.
If an eastern/mid-Atlantic G5 conference formed, I think we'd be
stupid not to upgrade at that point as we'd be at the higher
level with greater exposure, playing some of the same CAAFB
schools we're up against now. Every public school of our stature
save for a couple is FBS, I say we join them if an opportunity
came up.
What I don't think makes sense is putting everything in a
conference that makes no sense geographically just for the sake
of being FBS. If we could do football only in the current CUSA,
Sun Belt (not happening but not crazier than us in the Big
South), or MAC, while keeping everything in the AE, I think
that's something we should seriously consider, but putting
basketball and everything else in any of those conferences right
now doesn't really make much sense to me. Possibly the MAC, but
to be honest, I'd rather play Maine and Binghamton in basketball
than Bowling Green and Eastern Michigan.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: iBOsbu Date: January 22, 2019, 11:38 am
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Lack of kids on campus on weekend going to be a hard problem to
fix. Problem is that Stony Brook is not fully commuter school
but also not fully residential school. It's like a Hybrid of
two. Being close to NYC, but not too close, is both good and
bad. City kids can't commute everyday, with homework and studies
need to be done. And that's why residential halls are needed.
The bad is that city kids can go home over the weekend. Its not
Syracuse that kids can't go home in less than an hour drive.
These kids grow up following Giants/Jets.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: January 22, 2019, 11:41 am
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they should just take more upstate kids. there's the empire
grant (?) that allows tuition breaks for those under a certain
income (anything above the hudson valley). makes SB more
attractive. plus there are some better athletes in those other
regions.
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