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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: October 10, 2018, 8:48 pm
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=368.msg23462#msg23462 date=1539200133]
some really interesting thoughts from newobserver:
HTML https://www.basketballforum.com/america-east-conference/442130-conference-expansion-explosion-coming-261.html
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Very interesting thread. I get a good chuckle out of that Maine
fan who thinks any AE program that isn't content with playing in
a middle school gym in front of 100 people is being uppity and
expecting too much ;D ;D.
The move is going to happen. Our academic and institutional
profile is more in line with a Big Ten or Pac-12 school than it
is with the AE. It's only a matter of time. Our academics,
facilities, relevance in NYC and NYS, strong athletic programs,
etc. are all things we can bring to a conference. In response to
the people in that thread bashing us lol.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 16, 2018, 9:10 am
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a few more astute thoughts:
HTML https://www.basketballforum.com/america-east-conference/442130-conference-expansion-explosion-coming-263.html
[quote]I didn't say the CAA wasn't a good conference for FCS
football, it is. But it will not draw fans on Long Island or in
Albany. It just won't when you are so close to the Giants and
Jets. It won't. Fans in those 2 areas just won't turn out for
anything less than the top level. It is what it is.
Sports snobs all around. Actually it's not just sports, it's
everything. Get a mid level band and you can get tickets at show
time. Get a major band and it sells out in 20 minutes. It's not
like other areas that have nothing else going on.
UA and even Siena struggle for attendance. A NBA preseason game
sells out the TUC quickly. UA football averages what 4k fans?
The Giants preseason camp got more than that every day of the
week.
Long Island is worse. Bring top level or no one cares.[/quote]
[quote]Syracuse may have lower attendance than other schools,
but they can get 30k per game in market that is smaller than
both Albany and Long Island.
UMBC last year and UVM in 2005 both got more exposure in their
tournament wins than JMU got for winning an FCS national title.
That pretty much says it all.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: October 16, 2018, 10:56 am
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Absolutely. Excellent points that have been observed by looking
at other programs in large markets. When you've got 2 NFL, NBA,
NHL, MLB, and several other college and university teams around
you, you need to play at the highest level possible to stand
out. I'm not sure if FBS alone would do that (P5 in the ACC or
Big Ten would), but it's better than being barely above D2 in
people's thoughts and minds. This comment spelled it out
perfectly I think.
[quote]You can spend $100 for a 30 second commercial on a radio
station no one listens to and get no value for your dollar,
$1000 on a popular local radio station and get a little value,
or $10,000 and get a national TV ad and reach the whole country.
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FBS is the answer and it's coming. Question is when and with
what schools. An eastern FBS league with schools like Temple,
Umass, JMU, ODU, Army, etc. would be a no brainer. The MAC
slightly less so perhaps, but could be a means to an end, or
maybe the end itself if they really commit to having an eastern
block of teams.
It's going to happen, but until we know how the Big 12 is going
to shake out, it's all simply speculation. If nothing happens in
the Big 12, we may not get the opening we want. There's rumors
CUSA could split in half east/west, but that may not do all that
much for us either. Time will tell. Regardless of what happens
with football though, there's nothing stopping SBU from
immediately making a move to improve basketball should a
suitable invite come along. I've mentioned the CAA and A10
before as possible landing spots regardless of football.
Interesting article on what the big upset over UVA did for UMBC.
HTML https://sports.yahoo.com/publicity-umbcs-upset-generated-worth-staggering-amount-money-054324907.html
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Hammertime Date: October 16, 2018, 1:39 pm
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SH son plays JV football with my younger boy at WM, and i asked
him this question yesterday at the game. I asked Shawn. When
does he see SB moving up to the FBS. His answer, "Let's win our
conference first before we talk about the FBS" That's a big
change from the first couple of years as AD for SB, but it's the
right answer. How can we talk about moving up to the FBS when SB
is only a middle of the road CAA team and we cant beat the upper
CAA teams. Towson destroyed SB and JMU most likely will too.
Beat JMU and keep games close against the likes of NDSU, SDSU.
JSU, SHU etc.. and then maybe, just maybe we can talk FBS
aspirations down the road.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: sbufan Date: October 16, 2018, 2:34 pm
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Interesting thread. Is NewObserver a poster on here? I thought
they made some great points that, predictably, ruffled some
jealous, new englander feathers.
I'm so bullish on Stony Brook right now. I just think there is
so much momentum behind the university between the recent US
News ranking, the 630 million dollars they raised during the
campaign for Stony Brook, and the fact that the teams are
winning. The next couple years are going to be exciting.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 16, 2018, 2:37 pm
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bingo, agreed.
yeah even the vermonters and some danes agree that SB has the
potential and the draw to move on up (it's just a question of
when). a good sign.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: October 16, 2018, 3:08 pm
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[quote author=Hammertime link=topic=368.msg23527#msg23527
date=1539715170]
SH son plays JV football with my younger boy at WM, and i asked
him this question yesterday at the game. I asked Shawn. When
does he see SB moving up to the FBS. His answer, "Let's win our
conference first before we talk about the FBS" That's a big
change from the first couple of years as AD for SB, but it's the
right answer. How can we talk about moving up to the FBS when SB
is only a middle of the road CAA team and we cant beat the upper
CAA teams. Towson destroyed SB and JMU most likely will too.
Beat JMU and keep games close against the likes of NDSU, SDSU.
JSU, SHU etc.. and then maybe, just maybe we can talk FBS
aspirations down the road.
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I really appreciate how accessible SH is to the community, and
to the donors, I really do, but I suspect that answer is much
more of a deflection than it is the truth. Realignment moves
often come out of nowhere with little warning as there's lots on
the line if speculation and rumor leaks to the public. If there
actually is something in the works, only a few people in the
athletic department along with President Stanley would be privy
to it. That's the kind of information you can't afford to let
out of the hat prematurely as there's literally millions of
dollars on the line.
I understand your train of thought Hammertime, but it is
completely irrelevant for moving up. As I've said before,
success on the field is the least important thing when it comes
to conference realignment. Your academics, your market,
recruiting territory, relevance in your state, etc. matter much,
much more. We're in the AAU for crying out loud. Harvard, Yale,
UC Berkley, Princeton, Washington, etc. deemed us worthy enough
to vote us into their club. That's a hell of a lot more
impressive than winning a couple football games.
Both Liberty and Coastal Carolina, teams who we frequently beat
up on in the Big South are FBS now. We'd have probably won four
more conference titles since had we stayed there. I have zero
problem with wanting to win at the FCS level and enjoying it
while we can before moving on to bigger and better things, but
let's not act like we need to win five national titles before
moving up. That's the least of it.
A move is going to come. An AAU school in the largest market in
the country is ripe for the taking. An opportunity is going to
present itself shortly. My guess is by the middle of the next
decade pending what happens in the Big 12.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 16, 2018, 3:27 pm
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just to support that argument- look at why the B10 took RuTgers.
mediocre athletics for the most part, by NYC market (in their
eyes at least).
same for maryland, which is 8 miles out of DC.
now for nebraska... i dunno. tradition? thought they'd be more
competitive in football (currently 0-6 with Frost on the hot
seat)
before that i believe Penn State was the most recent add-
possibly early 90s or mid 90s. but that was a different era.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Seawolf97 Date: October 16, 2018, 7:26 pm
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I think Shawn is deflecting . If an FBS offer came along we
would jump at it Im sure. As posted earlier Coastal Carolina
and Liberty are both FBS now so its not impossible to see SBU
moving up . With over 26k in student enrollment, AAU member,
almost all brand new athletic facilities and growing and 50
miles from NYC . The next 3 years will tell us for sure.
Remember also we are a Top 15 STEM School now which is huge in
academic circles.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: December 16, 2018, 1:43 am
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Some more realignment rumors churning. These moves result in
other moves that trickle down (or perhaps up) the chain to other
conferences.
Augustana (tiny private school in Sioux Falls SD) is rumored to
be going D1. Most likely landing spot is all-sports in The
Summit League, with football in either the MVFC or Pioneer. This
could open the door for the Summit to split off from the MVFC
and start their own FCS football conference. Augustana has a
history with the four Dakota flagship schools. Personally, I
question if a school their size should even sponsor varsity
athletics, let alone D1 athletics. They've got a major
billionaire donor behind them though who is the driving force
behind it all.
HTML https://twitter.com/argusmattz/status/1073379510303768576
Additionally, Dixie State is rumored to be joining the WAC. The
WAC has been desperate for schools for years since all the
football schools left, and this is a move that's long been
rumored. Dixie State is located in St. George Utah (yeah, I
couldn't believe it either. With a name like that you'd expect
Mississippi or Alabama).
HTML http://dixiesunnews.com/news/articles/2018/12/06/division-i-decision-remains-undecided/
Interesting thing to note with all these moves is that they're
happening on their own with no domino from the P5 causing them.
There's always talks happening behind the scenes among ADs and
presidents. That's why I wouldn't be surprised at all if one day
seemingly out of the blue Stanley came out and announced SBU was
moving to the CAA, A10, or MAC. There's always talks going on.
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