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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chrissy D. Date: March 5, 2017, 12:27 am
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When local kids are offered a preffered walk on spot, they are
given grant money and guaranteed a spot on the roster. Since
they are instate residents most recieve full aid for school. By
bringing in preffered walk ons it allows you to have 15 - 17
more scholarships on the roster without counting against your
scholarship limit. Straight walk ons get no more than a camp
tryout, possibly make the team. The team can't offer a preffered
walk on a scholarship until after their 2nd year. If they did
offer before that then it would count as a scholarship against
the PFO's freshman year and thus put the school over the scholly
limit for that year. This is why most PFO's are redshirted. By
doing this they can be eligible to earn a scholarship for three
years. Either way they would still recieve the grant money as
long as they remained eligible. The only money PFO's recieve
from football is the housing cost for summer camp. This is a
good tool that all FBS and FCS schools use, especially state
schools. Kids like John Haggert and Jake Carlock recieved
scholarships. Anthony Catapano , Stacy Bedell, Isaiah White and
Nunez are also examples of local kids on scholarships. Before
them Jackolski, Maysonette and Dudley. Although the coach leaves
a lot to be desired the preffered walk on program works for the
schools. The best example of this is Clay Mathews at USC.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: March 5, 2017, 4:43 pm
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[quote author=Chrissy D. link=topic=368.msg18064#msg18064
date=1488695241]
When local kids are offered a preffered walk on spot, they are
given grant money and guaranteed a spot on the roster. Since
they are instate residents most recieve full aid for school. By
bringing in preffered walk ons it allows you to have 15 - 17
more scholarships on the roster without counting against your
scholarship limit. Straight walk ons get no more than a camp
tryout, possibly make the team. The team can't offer a preffered
walk on a scholarship until after their 2nd year. If they did
offer before that then it would count as a scholarship against
the PFO's freshman year and thus put the school over the scholly
limit for that year. This is why most PFO's are redshirted. By
doing this they can be eligible to earn a scholarship for three
years. Either way they would still recieve the grant money as
long as they remained eligible. The only money PFO's recieve
from football is the housing cost for summer camp. This is a
good tool that all FBS and FCS schools use, especially state
schools. Kids like John Haggert and Jake Carlock recieved
scholarships. Anthony Catapano , Stacy Bedell, Isaiah White and
Nunez are also examples of local kids on scholarships. Before
them Jackolski, Maysonette and Dudley. Although the coach leaves
a lot to be desired the preffered walk on program works for the
schools. The best example of this is Clay Mathews at USC.
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Thanks for the breakdown. So by using the preferred walk-on
status instead of a scholarship we're able to keep scholarship
level athletes on the roster without actually using one so we
can say offer a full to an out of state kid or a kid with more
recruiting options? Is this kind of like the Ivies where they
can't give an athletic scholarship but instead give an academic
one that covers most/all of it?
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chrissy D. Date: March 5, 2017, 8:03 pm
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Yes VA u hit it on the nose. Out of state or local recruits with
more sholarship options are the ones they give them to. I am not
sure how Ivy's give out grant money. I happened to read an
article a few months back on the preffered walk on program.
Lacrosse uses grant money for locals also because they only have
about 13 schollys to give out and sometimes have to break them
up and spread out to a few kids. Baseball also only has the same
amount and they will use the grants for instate players. Just
another benefit of stsying instate for school.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: March 8, 2017, 8:40 am
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[quote author=OldSeawolf link=topic=368.msg18043#msg18043
date=1488503926]
There are ways to fill the stands, but it will not happen
overnight. Winning certainly breeds enthusiasm which will help
fill the stands. Look at what the signing of Warney did to the
basketball program. Getting that kind of marquis player can do
wonders for a team, and its ability to draw fans at the gate.
Is it easy to get that kind of marquis star to come to Stony
Brook.....no way! It takes work and perseverance on many
levels, and sometimes takes a bit of luck as well.
Regarding football, you have to start at home on Long Island,
IMO. 3MM people live out here and we're the only DI football
team on the Island. There are lots of kids who want to stay
home, play football at the D1 level, but know they aren't good
enough to play at Alabama or a marquis football program, but are
outstanding players. We need to recruit heavily from the area,
and establish a presence, that becomes a magnet for strong local
talent. And most of all, you need to attract a Long Island QB
that can be the fulcrum of the team. Coaching aside, it all
starts with the QB.
Here are some ideas on how to fill the stands, and how to obtain
the best talent on Long Island. It takes money to market the
team, so we need to budget for these items, but the payoff
(prestige and financial) will come down the road:
1) Offer a free full-year academic scholarship to one lucky
student every game. Advertise this in the campus newspapers and
with flyers around campus and especially, in the dorms. No
excuse for students not packing the stands every week;
2) SBU athletic staff needs to stay plugged in to the High
School football programs on Long Island, particularly the strong
ones. Provide free tickets to High School
Football Programs in the area, on a rotating basis, to help
promote the SBU brand. Do this for every game. Create a buzz
amongst Long Island High School players;
3) Create a free weekly digital magazine for the football team,
that is distributed to every Long Island High School football
program, and to local community members. You need the locals to
start identifying with the only game in town, and a digital
magazine adds credence and visibility to the program;
4) Establish weekly coaching media segments on News12, WFAN, and
on Newsday.com without fail;
5) Establish bonuses for coaching staffs and even the AD. Let
part of the compensation packages be contingent on performance
on the field. Winning attracts talent, not only athletically,
but academically as well. Winning fills seats, even if it's 35
degrees outside and raining.
Yes, we are doing some of this already, but we need to do it
better, if we want to grow the program, and take that next step.
It's a process, and it takes time. Attracting talent and
winning will result in more talent being acquired, more fan
interest, and will snowball as time moves on.
We've come a long way over the years for sure, but there's a
much longer and more fruitful journey ahead to get to the next
plateau.
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HTML http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/2012-2020-future-of-stony-brook-football/msg12032/#msg12032
we also have a whole separate thread for ideas if anyone wants
to read it:
HTML http://sbufan.createaforum.com/around-stony-brook/making-sb-better-idea-thread/
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: OldSeawolf Date: March 8, 2017, 9:07 am
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=368.msg18119#msg18119 date=1488984055]
HTML http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/2012-2020-future-of-stony-brook-football/msg12032/#msg12032
we also have a whole separate thread for ideas if anyone wants
to read it:
HTML http://sbufan.createaforum.com/around-stony-brook/making-sb-better-idea-thread/
[/quote]
Thanks! Sorry, if I posted in the wrong thread. Looks like
great minds think alike.... :)
This isn't rocket science. Your additional suggestions are
excellent. Athletics needs to step back and look at the big
picture, and put a plan into place. Budget issues certainly are
always an issue, especially with a state-funded school. But
need to sell these ancillary ideas to Dubin and other bug
donors, and put some of this to work, to get to that next level.
We have come very far over the last 20 years, and all those
involved in that should certainly be commended. But, sometimes
people become complacent with the status quo, and don't
recognize that there is always room for improvement. And of
course, the arm chair quarterbacks don't know the inner workings
of the Athletic department either, so we don't always know what
is involved either. Hopefully, we've provided them with some
suggestions that can be considered.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 8, 2018, 10:07 am
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on the LIU post/brooklyn merger:
HTML https://www.basketballforum.com/america-east-conference/442130-conference-expansion-explosion-coming-260.html
[quote]LIU is positioning to be an AE school[/quote]
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Seawolf97 Date: October 8, 2018, 10:30 am
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Interesting article but please not the MAC . My vote and
geography tells me the AAC if they call -UConn. Temple etc .
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: October 8, 2018, 3:16 pm
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I'm glad the poster mentioned LIU as a potential backfill
addition for the AE, but there's no reason for the AE to expand
right now. We turned down NJIT, and I don't think we really
needed Lowell either.
The idea LIU, with their D2 call up program would replace us in
the CAA is laughable. Monmouth, Hampton, CCSU, Kennesaw State,
Youngstown State and others would be a higher priority for the
CAA than LIU. The CAA would want to maintain it's spot as a top
FCS football conference and LIU doesn't do that. I think the
league collapsing if us, JMU, and Delaware all leave is just as
likely though. Richmond, Nova, and W&M go to the Patriot, and
the rest either backfill with weak teams, or join other
conferences.
[quote author=Seawolf97 link=topic=368.msg23442#msg23442
date=1539012627]
Interesting article but please not the MAC . My vote and
geography tells me the AAC if they call -UConn. Temple etc .
[/quote]
The AAC isn't happening right out of FCS. They're focused on
being treated like a power conference and power conferences
don't add FCS teams. That same reason is why JMU will never get
the call from them. If the AAC is the goal, we're probably best
served playing in the MAC, doing well there, and then being
attractive to the AAC when they need to backfill membership.
The most likely realignment move for us in the immediate future
would be an all-sports move to the CAA. All it would take is the
other schools to tell Hofstra (and probably Northeastern too) to
pound sand and vote us in. Albany likely comes along with us.
That version of the CAA probably still isn't a multi-bid
conference, but it's an attractive league for us. JMU is
definitely going FBS soon, so the CAA will want to add teams on
the Olympic sports side. There would be no football involved in
that, so really it's something that could happen at any time. If
a month from now there was a headline saying SBU and Albany
accepted all-sports invites to the CAA, I wouldn't be all that
shocked. Hofstra is not Texas, they can't single handedly hold a
conference hostage like that.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 10, 2018, 2:35 pm
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some really interesting thoughts from newobserver:
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Seawolf97 Date: October 10, 2018, 5:47 pm
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Interesting article. Vermont fans are very content staying in
the America East anything more would not work for them . I
understand where the Albany fans are coming from they want the
same route to FBS and better conference affiliation as we do.
Given our advancements in facilities and seeing the teams win I
could us moving up in under 5 years along with Albany and JMU .
Not sure where we will land but it could be exciting .
Vermont will never budge from the AE unless the conference
folds.
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