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#Post#: 34116--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: October 21, 2021, 4:37 am
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> I’m more of a bball fan than football, so lacking a lot of
football/fbs knowledge. For those who want FbS football... we
have seen Liberty going independent... Can’t we just go FBS
independent? Then We don’t need an invite, right? Keep all
sports in AE until/when/if we get better to get an A10 invite.
But with UMASS and UCONN having independent fbs football, we
will have two peer institutions in the northeast to schedule
yearly. Army and Liberty are also two more close distance
independents. I think we can definitely compete with them four.
And fill out the rest of the schedule with cupcakes and buy
games.
>
> Regarding attendance, it’s a northeast issue. UMass and UConn
have the same issue. May be winning will change the culture a
little bit. But I won’t expect 20k+ in LI even with a winning
program. But we can be in the neighborhood of 15k if we have a
good entertaining winning team. That would be good enough for
fbs.
>
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I agree IBO. SBU could go independent if they meet all the FBS
requirements first. Not that hard to upgrade the Stadium to 15k
or 20k seats. But, If SBO doesn't fill at least 15k seats for
each home game they will be on the hook to pay the NCAA the
difference. I'm pretty certain that is how it goes. As far as
averaging 15k seats per game. I think it is very plausible.
I cant see any FBS conference looking to offer SBU an invite, so
going independent makes the most sense.
#Post#: 34117--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: October 21, 2021, 5:16 am
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> [quote author=Accelerator link=topic=368.msg34111#msg34111
date=1634764965]
> Louisiana Tech
> UTEP
> Old Dominion
> FIU
> Middle Tennessee St
> Western Kentucky
>
> That is what's left of CUSA. If they wanted to get back to 12,
getting Liberty, JMU, UMass UConn, Delaware and us would make me
a decently happy man. But I'm sure Sh*thead Heilbron has tanked
our stock enough for other choices to be in play.
>
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This is our only chance and only comes to fruition if the Sun
Belt decides to not add JMU and ODU. If they simply go to 12
with Marshall and Southern Miss, then that opens the door for
the additions you're describing. You could do a clean
north/south split for divisions. I'd be a-ok with those schools
too as we'd get a southern recruiting pipeline and would have
plenty of nearby teams to play. Only thing I'd really hate about
it is UTEP. They're a massive outlier and nobody really wants
them.
Above all else, I just don't think Heilbron could navigate our
move up to FBS. He's been talking about it since he's got here
though and here it is. We may not make the move, but if at the
bare minimum he isn't at least talking to the commissioner of
CUSA and talking to some of the other schools involved with this
then he's failing at his job and should go.
[/quote]
SH aspirations were to take SBU football to FBS. He said it the
very first day he got hired and told me personally. This is the
time to make the move, ready or not. Opportunities like this
knock every decade or so. The time for SH to $hit or get off the
pot is NOW. I'd place my money on him not doing anything,
though..
#Post#: 34119--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: iBOsbu
Date: October 21, 2021, 10:42 am
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Now MAC likely to further expand by taking MT and WK from CUSA.
I hope we are staying as far away as possible from CUSA. It
would be the worst decision that would kill the SB athletics.
#Post#: 34121--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: October 21, 2021, 12:06 pm
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> How bad of a failure is Heilbron? Charlotte started football
in 2013 and 8 years later, are in the AAC. UTSA started in 2011
and is now in the AAC. Old Dominion started in 2009 and is in
CUSA. It's possible to hastily ascend your program to FBS, but
this man doesn't know jack about it.
>
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What do all those schools have in common?
...
They are in the Southeast and Texas where the appetite for
college football is huge. Charlotte is drawing more fans than we
are. The only time I visited Charlotte (a couple of months
actually) I couldnt find a single hotel room because the city
was taken over by College football fans due to a Georgia vs
Clemson matchup. The whole city was red and orange. I don't
think I will ever see something like that happen anywhere in the
Northeast
#Post#: 34141--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: guest410
Date: October 22, 2021, 1:17 pm
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JMU is gone. CUSA is crumbling. No, they will not even look in
the direction of SBU, as they shouldn’t. Very few CAA teams have
any shot of moving out of the conference, and that would mostly
be due to their basketball programs.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: October 22, 2021, 1:23 pm
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>
HTML https://twitter.com/mattbrownep/status/1451599474393063427?s=21
>
> JMU is gone. CUSA is crumbling. No, they will not even look in
the direction of SBU, as they shouldn’t. Very few CAA teams have
any shot of moving out of the conference, and that would mostly
be due to their basketball programs.
>
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Why would JMU want CUSA over the Sunbelt? The Sunbelt is a
rising conference in every sport/ I'm lost
#Post#: 34143--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: guest410
Date: October 22, 2021, 1:29 pm
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--- Quote from: Hammertime link ---
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> [quote author=AirTurn link=topic=368.msg34141#msg34141
date=1634926677]
>
HTML https://twitter.com/mattbrownep/status/1451599474393063427?s=21
>
> JMU is gone. CUSA is crumbling. No, they will not even look in
the direction of SBU, as they shouldn’t. Very few CAA teams have
any shot of moving out of the conference, and that would mostly
be due to their basketball programs.
>
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Why would JMU want CUSA over the Sunbelt? The Sunbelt is a
rising conference in every sport/ I'm lost
[/quote]
Apologies, should've clarified. JMU is heading to the Sun Belt
with some CUSA teams. The CUSA is being picked off one by one
and is being reduced to ashes. Despite that, the CUSA will not
look at SBU as a possible candidate.
#Post#: 34144--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Accelerator
Date: October 22, 2021, 1:35 pm
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There is no pain hurtful enough for Shawn Heilbron to suffer in.
That man deserves the worst.
#Post#: 34146--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: October 22, 2021, 3:25 pm
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> Now MAC likely to further expand by taking MT and WK from
CUSA. I hope we are staying as far away as possible from CUSA.
It would be the worst decision that would kill the SB athletics.
>
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If we moved everything from the AE and joined CUSA then I'd
agree with the massive travel and instability it wouldn't be
worth it.
If came down to the point where CUSA needed football only
schools to round out the conference and UConn, Liberty, etc.
didn't want to play ball then absolutely SBU should jump on
that. Football only in CUSA while keeping everything else in the
AE would be a damn good result for SBU Athletics.
#Post#: 34147--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: October 23, 2021, 4:44 am
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>
> [quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=368.msg34119#msg34119
date=1634830920]
> Now MAC likely to further expand by taking MT and WK from
CUSA. I hope we are staying as far away as possible from CUSA.
It would be the worst decision that would kill the SB athletics.
>
--- End Quote ---
If we moved everything from the AE and joined CUSA then I'd
agree with the massive travel and instability it wouldn't be
worth it.
If came down to the point where CUSA needed football only
schools to round out the conference and UConn, Liberty, etc.
didn't want to play ball then absolutely SBU should jump on
that. Football only in CUSA while keeping everything else in the
AE would be a damn good result for SBU Athletics.
[/quote]
If I were the AD and had the opportunity to join CUSA, I'd
seriously consider taking it. There wont be another opportunity
like this in our lifetime to move up in conference.
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