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#Post#: 34103--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: October 20, 2021, 10:00 am
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--- Quote from: iBOsbu link ---
>
> I’m more of a bball fan than football, so lacking a lot of
football/fbs knowledge. For those who want FbS football... we
have seen Liberty going independent... Can’t we just go FBS
independent? Then We don’t need an invite, right? Keep all
sports in AE until/when/if we get better to get an A10 invite.
But with UMASS and UCONN having independent fbs football, we
will have two peer institutions in the northeast to schedule
yearly. Army and Liberty are also two more close distance
independents. I think we can definitely compete with them four.
And fill out the rest of the schedule with cupcakes and buy
games.
>
> Regarding attendance, it’s a northeast issue. UMass and UConn
have the same issue. May be winning will change the culture a
little bit. But I won’t expect 20k+ in LI even with a winning
program. But we can be in the neighborhood of 15k if we have a
good entertaining winning team. That would be good enough for
fbs.
>
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With Temple being left on an island in the AAC with the new
additions, and UConn, Umass, Liberty, and Army all being
independents, there's been rumblings of a desire to make a
northeastern focused FBS conference at the G5 level. I don't
know how much traction if any it has, but that would be the
dream move to make. Probably a whole lot of nothing at the
moment, but it would be wise to keep an eye on the situation. I
believe such a conference would need members in the Carolinas to
be viable for recruiting, but it has potential.
#Post#: 34104--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: October 20, 2021, 10:28 am
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--- Quote from: VA_Seawolf link ---
>
> [quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=368.msg34097#msg34097
date=1634702015]
> [quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=368.msg34095#msg34095 date=1634699968]
> i think youre both right, actually. there are times i think
we are lucky we can even afford a team, given the massive
expense. bingo doesnt. vermont too. UML, UMBC, SJU, Hof,
Manhattan, Hartford, Jersey Tech, QU, etc.
>
> let's be honest now. in many ways, these are our peers. may
as well throw in providence and drexel.
>
> how marist, fairfield, bryant, wagner, SHU, CCU, monmouth, and
others afford it i really dont know. donors???
>
>
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>
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THIS!
People don't realize how expensive is to run a football program,
even at the DI-FCS level with 65 schollies and a ton of staffing
to meet NCAA regulations. Its a big money loser and the only
reason we get away with it is because Stony Brook has a large
student body for which it charges an athletic fee to every
student in the university to subsidize the athletics department.
Even with that subsidy it still loses money. The fact we even
have a football program in this environment should tell us there
is a good level of commitment to participate in college sports
by the administration.
Our regional peers like UMass, Buffalo, UConn are also losing a
ton of money. Rutgers only makes money because of the Big Ten
but its not really a draw on its own. Temple has a crop of loyal
fans (25-30k typically) that keep it afloat but also loses a ton
of money. Syracuse only makes money because the ACC gave it a
lifeboat but it doesn't draw much either and it is fortunate
enough that upstate politics gave it a nice state-subsidized
dome back in the day.
I get the desire for a better program by the fanbase here in
this board. But at times I almost get the sense people here are
not being realistic. This isn't the Southeast United States or
the midwest. We are in the Northeast where college football is
an after thought for the average person.
Did anyone look into the football history of the University of
Central Florida? Did you guys see how quickly that University
grew its program and how it now landed in the Big12? That's what
being in a college football hotbed does. People in Florida are
extremely receptive to college football. Stony Brook, UConn,
UMass, Buffalo would kill to have that kind of fanbase growth in
just 40 years
[/quote]
I'm calling massive BS here. We are an AAU member and are one of
the top research universities in the world. You're here talking
about how we should be lucky to have football when the
overwhelming majority of those schools not only have football,
but have it at the Power 5 level in the ACC, Big Ten, etc. Every
self respecting university of our size and stature should have a
football program. Even the Ivies maintain their football
programs because it speaks volumes about a school if you don't
have a program. Call me ridiculous here, but every
self-respecting university that wants to be considered worth a
damn should have a football program. The only Public AAU
schools who don't have an FBS football program are us, and UC
Davis out in Cali. Everyone else is FBS or P5.
The idea that we should be thankful to even have a program is
ridiculous. SBU can be and should be in a better athletic
situation than we are. A decade ago we could pack the stadium
playing VMI and Charleston Southern. What the hell happened to
that energy? Somebody screwed up bad.
[/quote]
AAU means nothing when you are in the Northeast and got late to
the party (joined Division I in 1999 when the country was
already taken by the power football schools). AAU is for
research, has no bearing on the size or strength of your
athletic department.
Go ask Boston U, UChicago, CalTech, the Ivies, John Hopkins, and
the bunch of other AAU schools that have no top-flight football
programs.
Fans/money/size determine top college football program. not AAU
status
#Post#: 34106--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: October 20, 2021, 11:23 am
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--- Quote from: VA_Seawolf link ---
>
> [quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=368.msg34097#msg34097
date=1634702015]
> [quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=368.msg34095#msg34095 date=1634699968]
> i think youre both right, actually. there are times i think
we are lucky we can even afford a team, given the massive
expense. bingo doesnt. vermont too. UML, UMBC, SJU, Hof,
Manhattan, Hartford, Jersey Tech, QU, etc.
>
> let's be honest now. in many ways, these are our peers. may
as well throw in providence and drexel.
>
> how marist, fairfield, bryant, wagner, SHU, CCU, monmouth, and
others afford it i really dont know. donors???
>
>
HTML http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/richmond-at-stony-brook/msg16468/#msg16468
>
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THIS!
People don't realize how expensive is to run a football program,
even at the DI-FCS level with 65 schollies and a ton of staffing
to meet NCAA regulations. Its a big money loser and the only
reason we get away with it is because Stony Brook has a large
student body for which it charges an athletic fee to every
student in the university to subsidize the athletics department.
Even with that subsidy it still loses money. The fact we even
have a football program in this environment should tell us there
is a good level of commitment to participate in college sports
by the administration.
Our regional peers like UMass, Buffalo, UConn are also losing a
ton of money. Rutgers only makes money because of the Big Ten
but its not really a draw on its own. Temple has a crop of loyal
fans (25-30k typically) that keep it afloat but also loses a ton
of money. Syracuse only makes money because the ACC gave it a
lifeboat but it doesn't draw much either and it is fortunate
enough that upstate politics gave it a nice state-subsidized
dome back in the day.
I get the desire for a better program by the fanbase here in
this board. But at times I almost get the sense people here are
not being realistic. This isn't the Southeast United States or
the midwest. We are in the Northeast where college football is
an after thought for the average person.
Did anyone look into the football history of the University of
Central Florida? Did you guys see how quickly that University
grew its program and how it now landed in the Big12? That's what
being in a college football hotbed does. People in Florida are
extremely receptive to college football. Stony Brook, UConn,
UMass, Buffalo would kill to have that kind of fanbase growth in
just 40 years
[/quote]
I'm calling massive BS here. We are an AAU member and are one of
the top research universities in the world. You're here talking
about how we should be lucky to have football when the
overwhelming majority of those schools not only have football,
but have it at the Power 5 level in the ACC, Big Ten, etc. Every
self respecting university of our size and stature should have a
football program. Even the Ivies maintain their football
programs because it speaks volumes about a school if you don't
have a program. Call me ridiculous here, but every
self-respecting university that wants to be considered worth a
damn should have a football program. The only Public AAU
schools who don't have an FBS football program are us, and UC
Davis out in Cali. Everyone else is FBS or P5.
The idea that we should be thankful to even have a program is
ridiculous. SBU can be and should be in a better athletic
situation than we are. A decade ago we could pack the stadium
playing VMI and Charleston Southern. What the hell happened to
that energy? Somebody screwed up bad.
[/quote]
research-wise, sure. every other aspect? we dont have it.
maybe size.
we dont have the campus, the atmosphere, the fan support, the
endowment, the enthusiasm, the recruits, the tuition support,
etc.
AAU is great but id be surprised if 1/10 people have heard of
it.
the university is in deeper fiscal trouble than i think people
know. not dire (yet), but deeper than perceived.
ivies have history, money, donors, big tuition, student support.
we have none. the comparison doesnt work, i think at least.
#Post#: 34108--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: ry1nik
Date: October 20, 2021, 1:25 pm
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--- Quote from: VA_Seawolf link ---
>
> [quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=368.msg34097#msg34097
date=1634702015]
> [quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=368.msg34095#msg34095 date=1634699968]
> i think youre both right, actually. there are times i think
we are lucky we can even afford a team, given the massive
expense. bingo doesnt. vermont too. UML, UMBC, SJU, Hof,
Manhattan, Hartford, Jersey Tech, QU, etc.
>
> let's be honest now. in many ways, these are our peers. may
as well throw in providence and drexel.
>
> how marist, fairfield, bryant, wagner, SHU, CCU, monmouth, and
others afford it i really dont know. donors???
>
>
HTML http://sbufan.createaforum.com/stony-brook-football/richmond-at-stony-brook/msg16468/#msg16468
>
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THIS!
People don't realize how expensive is to run a football program,
even at the DI-FCS level with 65 schollies and a ton of staffing
to meet NCAA regulations. Its a big money loser and the only
reason we get away with it is because Stony Brook has a large
student body for which it charges an athletic fee to every
student in the university to subsidize the athletics department.
Even with that subsidy it still loses money. The fact we even
have a football program in this environment should tell us there
is a good level of commitment to participate in college sports
by the administration.
Our regional peers like UMass, Buffalo, UConn are also losing a
ton of money. Rutgers only makes money because of the Big Ten
but its not really a draw on its own. Temple has a crop of loyal
fans (25-30k typically) that keep it afloat but also loses a ton
of money. Syracuse only makes money because the ACC gave it a
lifeboat but it doesn't draw much either and it is fortunate
enough that upstate politics gave it a nice state-subsidized
dome back in the day.
I get the desire for a better program by the fanbase here in
this board. But at times I almost get the sense people here are
not being realistic. This isn't the Southeast United States or
the midwest. We are in the Northeast where college football is
an after thought for the average person.
Did anyone look into the football history of the University of
Central Florida? Did you guys see how quickly that University
grew its program and how it now landed in the Big12? That's what
being in a college football hotbed does. People in Florida are
extremely receptive to college football. Stony Brook, UConn,
UMass, Buffalo would kill to have that kind of fanbase growth in
just 40 years
[/quote]
I'm calling massive BS here. We are an AAU member and are one of
the top research universities in the world. You're here talking
about how we should be lucky to have football when the
overwhelming majority of those schools not only have football,
but have it at the Power 5 level in the ACC, Big Ten, etc. Every
self respecting university of our size and stature should have a
football program. Even the Ivies maintain their football
programs because it speaks volumes about a school if you don't
have a program. Call me ridiculous here, but every
self-respecting university that wants to be considered worth a
damn should have a football program. The only Public AAU
schools who don't have an FBS football program are us, and UC
Davis out in Cali. Everyone else is FBS or P5.
The idea that we should be thankful to even have a program is
ridiculous. SBU can be and should be in a better athletic
situation than we are. A decade ago we could pack the stadium
playing VMI and Charleston Southern. What the hell happened to
that energy? Somebody screwed up bad.
[/quote]
That's not correct. There are five other AAU publics that don't
have FBS programs.
#Post#: 34109--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Accelerator
Date: October 20, 2021, 1:47 pm
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How bad of a failure is Heilbron? Charlotte started football in
2013 and 8 years later, are in the AAC. UTSA started in 2011 and
is now in the AAC. Old Dominion started in 2009 and is in CUSA.
It's possible to hastily ascend your program to FBS, but this
man doesn't know jack about it.
#Post#: 34110--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: iBOsbu
Date: October 20, 2021, 2:23 pm
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HTML https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1450899289450950657
This is moving very fast. CUSA done?
#Post#: 34111--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Accelerator
Date: October 20, 2021, 4:22 pm
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Louisiana Tech
UTEP
Old Dominion
FIU
Middle Tennessee St
Western Kentucky
That is what's left of CUSA. If they wanted to get back to 12,
getting Liberty, JMU, UMass UConn, Delaware and us would make me
a decently happy man. But I'm sure Sh*thead Heilbron has tanked
our stock enough for other choices to be in play.
#Post#: 34112--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: October 20, 2021, 4:36 pm
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can someone ballpark what this figure looks like-
60+ athletes
PT staff
video
a dozen coaches
equipment managers
others (AD, stats, etc.)
multiplied by:
airfare
coach buses (at least 4 ways)
hotels
meals
NCAA per diems
times maybe 6 outings a year.
and im sure im missing a few!
#Post#: 34113--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: October 20, 2021, 4:51 pm
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--- Quote from: Accelerator link ---
>
> Louisiana Tech
> UTEP
> Old Dominion
> FIU
> Middle Tennessee St
> Western Kentucky
>
> That is what's left of CUSA. If they wanted to get back to 12,
getting Liberty, JMU, UMass UConn, Delaware and us would make me
a decently happy man. But I'm sure Sh*thead Heilbron has tanked
our stock enough for other choices to be in play.
>
--- End Quote ---
This is our only chance and only comes to fruition if the Sun
Belt decides to not add JMU and ODU. If they simply go to 12
with Marshall and Southern Miss, then that opens the door for
the additions you're describing. You could do a clean
north/south split for divisions. I'd be a-ok with those schools
too as we'd get a southern recruiting pipeline and would have
plenty of nearby teams to play. Only thing I'd really hate about
it is UTEP. They're a massive outlier and nobody really wants
them.
Above all else, I just don't think Heilbron could navigate our
move up to FBS. He's been talking about it since he's got here
though and here it is. We may not make the move, but if at the
bare minimum he isn't at least talking to the commissioner of
CUSA and talking to some of the other schools involved with this
then he's failing at his job and should go.
#Post#: 34114--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: October 20, 2021, 5:01 pm
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--- Quote from: iBOsbu link ---
>
>
HTML https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1450899289450950657
>
> This is moving very fast. CUSA done?
>
--- End Quote ---
The conference won't die. It's in bad shape yes, but it won't
die. Even if UTEP, and LA Tech are all that's left, they can
invite a bunch of FCS schools and be fine. They still have an
NCAA tournament bid, FBS charter, and are a party to the CFP
contract. Only if every school currently still in CUSA finds a
new home does it collapse which is unlikely (La Tech and UTEP
will have a hard time, maybe FIU as well).
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