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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: October 19, 2021, 9:26 pm
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: October 19, 2021, 10:07 pm
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--- Quote from: Accelerator link ---
>
> It’s not our job as alumni to show up to games. It’s the
students! When I was in college, so many other students would
tell me, “Aren’t we D3?” Which speaks to a lack of understanding
of us and our opponents created by the treatment of FCS and
America East scheduling. To the community, FCS might as well be
D3, because it’s not the FBS games in mega stadiums that people
associate with true Division I.
>
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So do you think a big school like Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State,
Penn State, Texas fills their 100k+ stadium with students? Lets
be serious here. College sports are a business and for you to
succeed you need the alumni and surrounding community to buy in.
Current students are somewhat important only to the extent that
you want to (1) draw them in to build a
following/relationship/attachment with the teams prior to their
graduation and (2) create a somewhat fun atmosphere for everyone
else. but students don't make money and often get in for free or
at discounted rate. the bulk of the money and butts on the seats
will primarily be from alumni (over 200k) and surrounding
community (1.5M Suffolk County). If those two community don't
buy in forget about it.
There is no way you can justify Stony Brook getting called by a
more prestigious conference right now as things stand (even if
we become a winning program again). It doesn't matter if we have
superb academics either. Long Island simply hasn't bought into
college football. There is a reason why Hofstra, St. Johns, and
other schools across the region cut their program. It doesn't
draw. it doesn't mean we can't change that... but it will be
very difficult.
So... stop dreaming big everyone and lets realize where we are
at TODAY. We are an FCS program in the second best FCS
conference. Enjoy it for what it is and back it if you will. But
to expect us to get a free pass to FBS because we are "AAU Stony
Brook and we belong" is absurd.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: October 19, 2021, 10:19 pm
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i think youre both right, actually. there are times i think we
are lucky we can even afford a team, given the massive expense.
bingo doesnt. vermont too. UML, UMBC, SJU, Hof, Manhattan,
Hartford, Jersey Tech, QU, etc.
let's be honest now. in many ways, these are our peers. may as
well throw in providence and drexel.
how marist, fairfield, bryant, wagner, SHU, CCU, monmouth, and
others afford it i really dont know. donors???
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Accelerator
Date: October 19, 2021, 10:47 pm
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The fact that we even have a football team makes us a more
legitimate enterprise than those schools. Again, if anyone in
admin is content with Stony Brook being mentioned in the same
breath as those schools, they are a failure and need to be
removed. Because that is 100% not okay.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: October 19, 2021, 10:53 pm
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--- Quote from: Chairman of the Board link ---
>
> i think youre both right, actually. there are times i think
we are lucky we can even afford a team, given the massive
expense. bingo doesnt. vermont too. UML, UMBC, SJU, Hof,
Manhattan, Hartford, Jersey Tech, QU, etc.
>
> let's be honest now. in many ways, these are our peers. may
as well throw in providence and drexel.
>
> how marist, fairfield, bryant, wagner, SHU, CCU, monmouth, and
others afford it i really dont know. donors???
>
>
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THIS!
People don't realize how expensive is to run a football program,
even at the DI-FCS level with 65 schollies and a ton of staffing
to meet NCAA regulations. Its a big money loser and the only
reason we get away with it is because Stony Brook has a large
student body for which it charges an athletic fee to every
student in the university to subsidize the athletics department.
Even with that subsidy it still loses money. The fact we even
have a football program in this environment should tell us there
is a good level of commitment to participate in college sports
by the administration.
Our regional peers like UMass, Buffalo, UConn are also losing a
ton of money. Rutgers only makes money because of the Big Ten
but its not really a draw on its own. Temple has a crop of loyal
fans (25-30k typically) that keep it afloat but also loses a ton
of money. Syracuse only makes money because the ACC gave it a
lifeboat but it doesn't draw much either and it is fortunate
enough that upstate politics gave it a nice state-subsidized
dome back in the day.
I get the desire for a better program by the fanbase here in
this board. But at times I almost get the sense people here are
not being realistic. This isn't the Southeast United States or
the midwest. We are in the Northeast where college football is
an after thought for the average person.
Did anyone look into the football history of the University of
Central Florida? Did you guys see how quickly that University
grew its program and how it now landed in the Big12? That's what
being in a college football hotbed does. People in Florida are
extremely receptive to college football. Stony Brook, UConn,
UMass, Buffalo would kill to have that kind of fanbase growth in
just 40 years
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Accelerator
Date: October 20, 2021, 12:09 am
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Rutgers is $265 million in debt, which only got uncovered
because someone discovered that they had been fraudulently
reporting their loans as “revenue” the entire time. But at the
end of the day, they are Rutgers and will escape without
consequence because the state of New Jersey obviously will not
let Rutgers go under.
While I don’t think SBU can rack up $265M, I do also think that
we shouldn’t worry about debt because New York similarly will
not let us shut down when we mean so much to the state.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: October 20, 2021, 4:57 am
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>
> [quote author=AirTurn link=topic=368.msg34089#msg34089
date=1634689559]
> [quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=368.msg34087#msg34087
date=1634687553]
> you guys wanna move up?
>
> Gonna have to have people showing up to games. boycotting and
not donating wont help us get there any sooner.
>
> So... back up your U and commit to helping it get there.
>
> No one is gonna take SBU to an FBS conference when we average
6k fans at best on saturdays. JMU can do it, so did Liberty and
Coastal Carolina... because their fans are receptive to winning.
When they have good seasons fans quickly respond to it and flood
the gates. meanwhile even when we made the playoffs multiple
years the fans didn't exactly flood the gates. The college
football market just sucks here in the Northeast. Its NOT easy.
>
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That 6K fan attendance is bullshit. We've discussed it time and
again. Without having attended a single game this year, but
seeing tons of pictures and having friends and colleagues who
went this year, I'd estimate SBU has averaged maybe 3K a game.
Some games clearly have been more, but one has certainly been
much less.
[/quote]
Exactly. The point is... we don't have the fans to back a move
to a higher conference. Even if we have the money, the U
backing, everything... you can't buy fans! We need fans, atleast
12k of them to be of interest to any FBS conference. Otherwise
we are screwed
[/quote]
Replace Chucky Cheese with a new HC. Start winning games and
fans will show up.
I remember filling LaValle stadium to that max and then some
when SB made it to the NCAA playoffs. That could happen again,
but not with this current AD and football staff.
#Post#: 34100--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: October 20, 2021, 8:03 am
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--- Quote from: ecasadoSBU link ---
>
> [quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=368.msg34095#msg34095 date=1634699968]
> i think youre both right, actually. there are times i think
we are lucky we can even afford a team, given the massive
expense. bingo doesnt. vermont too. UML, UMBC, SJU, Hof,
Manhattan, Hartford, Jersey Tech, QU, etc.
>
> let's be honest now. in many ways, these are our peers. may
as well throw in providence and drexel.
>
> how marist, fairfield, bryant, wagner, SHU, CCU, monmouth, and
others afford it i really dont know. donors???
>
>
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>
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THIS!
People don't realize how expensive is to run a football program,
even at the DI-FCS level with 65 schollies and a ton of staffing
to meet NCAA regulations. Its a big money loser and the only
reason we get away with it is because Stony Brook has a large
student body for which it charges an athletic fee to every
student in the university to subsidize the athletics department.
Even with that subsidy it still loses money. The fact we even
have a football program in this environment should tell us there
is a good level of commitment to participate in college sports
by the administration.
Our regional peers like UMass, Buffalo, UConn are also losing a
ton of money. Rutgers only makes money because of the Big Ten
but its not really a draw on its own. Temple has a crop of loyal
fans (25-30k typically) that keep it afloat but also loses a ton
of money. Syracuse only makes money because the ACC gave it a
lifeboat but it doesn't draw much either and it is fortunate
enough that upstate politics gave it a nice state-subsidized
dome back in the day.
I get the desire for a better program by the fanbase here in
this board. But at times I almost get the sense people here are
not being realistic. This isn't the Southeast United States or
the midwest. We are in the Northeast where college football is
an after thought for the average person.
Did anyone look into the football history of the University of
Central Florida? Did you guys see how quickly that University
grew its program and how it now landed in the Big12? That's what
being in a college football hotbed does. People in Florida are
extremely receptive to college football. Stony Brook, UConn,
UMass, Buffalo would kill to have that kind of fanbase growth in
just 40 years
[/quote]
and, actually, i wouldnt even call umass, uconn, buffalo our
peers in the athletics sense. maybe, i dunno.
of course, i agree with the rest. we should use certain schools
as a model, whether its App State, JMU, USF, EWU, Liberty, CCU,
NDSt, etc.
or, we could ask the question- if we sink all these resources
into this, why would we NOT end up like buffalo? umass?
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: iBOsbu
Date: October 20, 2021, 8:59 am
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I’m more of a bball fan than football, so lacking a lot of
football/fbs knowledge. For those who want FbS football... we
have seen Liberty going independent... Can’t we just go FBS
independent? Then We don’t need an invite, right? Keep all
sports in AE until/when/if we get better to get an A10 invite.
But with UMASS and UCONN having independent fbs football, we
will have two peer institutions in the northeast to schedule
yearly. Army and Liberty are also two more close distance
independents. I think we can definitely compete with them four.
And fill out the rest of the schedule with cupcakes and buy
games.
Regarding attendance, it’s a northeast issue. UMass and UConn
have the same issue. May be winning will change the culture a
little bit. But I won’t expect 20k+ in LI even with a winning
program. But we can be in the neighborhood of 15k if we have a
good entertaining winning team. That would be good enough for
fbs.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
DIR By: NoVA_Seawolf
Date: October 20, 2021, 9:57 am
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--- Quote from: ecasadoSBU link ---
>
> [quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=368.msg34095#msg34095 date=1634699968]
> i think youre both right, actually. there are times i think
we are lucky we can even afford a team, given the massive
expense. bingo doesnt. vermont too. UML, UMBC, SJU, Hof,
Manhattan, Hartford, Jersey Tech, QU, etc.
>
> let's be honest now. in many ways, these are our peers. may
as well throw in providence and drexel.
>
> how marist, fairfield, bryant, wagner, SHU, CCU, monmouth, and
others afford it i really dont know. donors???
>
>
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>
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THIS!
People don't realize how expensive is to run a football program,
even at the DI-FCS level with 65 schollies and a ton of staffing
to meet NCAA regulations. Its a big money loser and the only
reason we get away with it is because Stony Brook has a large
student body for which it charges an athletic fee to every
student in the university to subsidize the athletics department.
Even with that subsidy it still loses money. The fact we even
have a football program in this environment should tell us there
is a good level of commitment to participate in college sports
by the administration.
Our regional peers like UMass, Buffalo, UConn are also losing a
ton of money. Rutgers only makes money because of the Big Ten
but its not really a draw on its own. Temple has a crop of loyal
fans (25-30k typically) that keep it afloat but also loses a ton
of money. Syracuse only makes money because the ACC gave it a
lifeboat but it doesn't draw much either and it is fortunate
enough that upstate politics gave it a nice state-subsidized
dome back in the day.
I get the desire for a better program by the fanbase here in
this board. But at times I almost get the sense people here are
not being realistic. This isn't the Southeast United States or
the midwest. We are in the Northeast where college football is
an after thought for the average person.
Did anyone look into the football history of the University of
Central Florida? Did you guys see how quickly that University
grew its program and how it now landed in the Big12? That's what
being in a college football hotbed does. People in Florida are
extremely receptive to college football. Stony Brook, UConn,
UMass, Buffalo would kill to have that kind of fanbase growth in
just 40 years
[/quote]
I'm calling massive BS here. We are an AAU member and are one of
the top research universities in the world. You're here talking
about how we should be lucky to have football when the
overwhelming majority of those schools not only have football,
but have it at the Power 5 level in the ACC, Big Ten, etc. Every
self respecting university of our size and stature should have a
football program. Even the Ivies maintain their football
programs because it speaks volumes about a school if you don't
have a program. Call me ridiculous here, but every
self-respecting university that wants to be considered worth a
damn should have a football program. The only Public AAU
schools who don't have an FBS football program are us, and UC
Davis out in Cali. Everyone else is FBS or P5.
The idea that we should be thankful to even have a program is
ridiculous. SBU can be and should be in a better athletic
situation than we are. A decade ago we could pack the stadium
playing VMI and Charleston Southern. What the hell happened to
that energy? Somebody screwed up bad.
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