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#Post#: 33746--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: July 23, 2021, 4:44 pm
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the NBA back then was amazing. no zone defense, so it was all
1v1 (though, zone is what i love about the college game). every
team had a star worth watching, or a duo.
wilkins, ewing, jordan/pippen, robinson, barkley, johnson, kemp,
bird, malone, malone/stockton, olajuwon, drexler, worthy,
miller/smits, isaiah/rodman, etc. heck throw in derek harper
and danny manning for good measure.
i thought a few years back we had a resurfacing of this with
exciting players like griffin, durant, but the NBA just got
unwatchable for me.
#Post#: 33751--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: July 26, 2021, 11:41 am
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Texas and OU officially inform the Big 12 they will be looking
to leave the conference:
HTML https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31889044/texas-longhorns-oklahoma-sooners-tell-big-12-not-renew-grant-media-rights
At first I thought this wouldn't impact SBU athletics, but
realignment always has trickle down effects. Any or all of what
I outline below could occur from this:
JMU goes FBS
The CAA (all sports conference) splits/disbands
Delaware, Towson, other CAA schools join the AE
The AE takes over the CAA football conference
Stony Brook joins the A10 (backfill for a potential Umass
departure)
Stony Brook joins an FBS conference (long shot, but not
impossible if Heilbron can deliver on the big talk he's promised
for almost a decade).
More outcomes I'm not thinking of
Any of the above could occur. I'm confident in JMU going FBS,
but the rest is anyone's guess. I do expect wide reaching
trickle down effects from the Big 12 collapsing though. I
mentioned this at least 3-4 years ago if not sooner on this
board, but here we are. It's happening. I just hope SBU
positions itself in the best place possible going forward.
#Post#: 33752--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: July 26, 2021, 11:49 am
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i agree there is always fallout and that JMU is headed for 1A.
however, how do you get there logically? what about the Big12
departures gives JMU the window to move? Unless you mean to the
Big12 perhaps???
or perhaps your prediction (which i very much appreciate) is
that there'll be so much other movement in between FBS and FCS
that there'll be openings somehwere... thanks.
#Post#: 33753--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: guest410 Date: July 26, 2021, 12:19 pm
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=368.msg33752#msg33752 date=1627318172]
i agree there is always fallout and that JMU is headed for 1A.
however, how do you get there logically? what about the Big12
departures gives JMU the window to move? Unless you mean to the
Big12 perhaps???
or perhaps your prediction (which i very much appreciate) is
that there'll be so much other movement in between FBS and FCS
that there'll be openings somehwere... thanks.
[/quote]
JMU is looking for an invite to the AAC. That's what they're
waiting on. Bourne doesn't want to be an Independent, and he
turned down a C-USA offer a few years ago. Now the Dukes have no
chance, as it currently stands, to get an AAC offer, but if
there were to be a massive shakeup of the BIG 12 post OU and
Texas departures, with some AAC team gaining invites to the BIG
12, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for maybe,
JMU to receive an offer. Now that's a long shot. And no, SBU
will not receive an FBS offer until the team show consistency on
the field for more than two seasons, upgrades the stadium and
not just seating capacity, builds legitimate lockerrooms for
both home and away teams, upgrades the press box, adds real
suites, and much more. It won't happen because the school
doesn't have the money for the upgrades or the coaching staff to
pull it off.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Hammertime Date: July 26, 2021, 12:28 pm
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[quote author=AirTurn link=topic=368.msg33753#msg33753
date=1627319941]
[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=368.msg33752#msg33752 date=1627318172]
i agree there is always fallout and that JMU is headed for 1A.
however, how do you get there logically? what about the Big12
departures gives JMU the window to move? Unless you mean to the
Big12 perhaps???
or perhaps your prediction (which i very much appreciate) is
that there'll be so much other movement in between FBS and FCS
that there'll be openings somehwere... thanks.
[/quote]
JMU is looking for an invite to the AAC. That's what they're
waiting on. Bourne doesn't want to be an Independent, and he
turned down a C-USA offer a few years ago. Now the Dukes have no
chance, as it currently stands, to get an AAC offer, but if
there were to be a massive shakeup of the BIG 12 post OU and
Texas departures, with some AAC team gaining invites to the BIG
12, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for maybe,
JMU to receive an offer. Now that's a long shot. And no, SBU
will not receive an FBS offer until the team show consistency on
the field for more than two seasons, upgrades the stadium and
not just seating capacity, builds legitimate lockerrooms for
both home and away teams, upgrades the press box, adds real
suites, and much more. It won't happen because the school
doesn't have the money for the upgrades or the coaching staff to
pull it off.
[/quote]
"And no, SBU will not receive an FBS offer until the team show
consistency on the field for more than two seasons, upgrades the
stadium and not just seating capacity, builds legitimate
lockerrooms for both home and away teams, upgrades the press
box, adds real suites, and much more. It won't happen because
the school doesn't have the money for the upgrades or the
coaching staff to pull it off."
You beat me to AirTurn. SB is regressing when it comes to
sports. SH needs to go. I like the man as a person. He is very
nice, polite, smart, witty, but he doesn't have what it takes to
make SBU a proven, respected athletic school.
#Post#: 33755--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: July 26, 2021, 1:26 pm
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[quote author=AirTurn link=topic=368.msg33753#msg33753
date=1627319941]
[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=368.msg33752#msg33752 date=1627318172]
i agree there is always fallout and that JMU is headed for 1A.
however, how do you get there logically? what about the Big12
departures gives JMU the window to move? Unless you mean to the
Big12 perhaps???
or perhaps your prediction (which i very much appreciate) is
that there'll be so much other movement in between FBS and FCS
that there'll be openings somehwere... thanks.
[/quote]
JMU is looking for an invite to the AAC. That's what they're
waiting on. Bourne doesn't want to be an Independent, and he
turned down a C-USA offer a few years ago. Now the Dukes have no
chance, as it currently stands, to get an AAC offer, but if
there were to be a massive shakeup of the BIG 12 post OU and
Texas departures, with some AAC team gaining invites to the BIG
12, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for maybe,
JMU to receive an offer. Now that's a long shot. And no, SBU
will not receive an FBS offer until the team show consistency on
the field for more than two seasons, upgrades the stadium and
not just seating capacity, builds legitimate lockerrooms for
both home and away teams, upgrades the press box, adds real
suites, and much more. It won't happen because the school
doesn't have the money for the upgrades or the coaching staff to
pull it off.
[/quote]
that is what i thought- displacement, thanks.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Accelerator Date: July 26, 2021, 2:05 pm
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In terms of $$$: if only Heilbron didn't alienate the one
billionaire donor who regularly gave a lot to the school
financially… that alone is a moron move. He could
single-handedly find a stadium upgrade. A valuable resource that
idiot Heilborn chose to cast aside.
#Post#: 33757--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Hammertime Date: July 26, 2021, 2:31 pm
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[quote author=Accelerator link=topic=368.msg33756#msg33756
date=1627326342]
In terms of $$$: if only Heilbron didn't alienate the one
billionaire donor who regularly gave a lot to the school
financially… that alone is a moron move. He could
single-handedly find a stadium upgrade. A valuable resource that
idiot Heilborn chose to cast aside.
[/quote]
Yup!!
#Post#: 33758--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: July 26, 2021, 3:25 pm
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if you're referring to dubin, of course, that may have cost them
a lot more in the other direction. im not saying i agree with
it; it's merely a statement of how things are done today. in
fact i think it's over-correction but that's my value judgment.
if you're not referring to him, sorry!
#Post#: 33759--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: July 26, 2021, 10:04 pm
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=368.msg33752#msg33752 date=1627318172]
or perhaps your prediction (which i very much appreciate) is
that there'll be so much other movement in between FBS and FCS
that there'll be openings somehwere... thanks.
[/quote]
Precisely this. These moves at the P5 always have far reaching
massive trickle down effects. The gist of it is that Texas and
OU leaving the Big 12 cause the Big 12 to raid the AAC for
replacement schools, which causes the AAC to raid CUSA/the Sun
Belt/JMU for replacements, which causes those leagues to search
for replacements, and in all of that shuffling, the idea is that
one or two spots open up in the FBS for a few schools. In a
dream world SBU would get one of those spots, but that's not
happening most likely. I mention the CAA collapsing because JMU
leaving could be the straw that breaks the camel's back and
causes Richmond, William and Mary, UNCW, CoC etc. to look
elsewhere, which opens the door for the America East to grab a
couple schools. The CAA has no cohesion with football and non
football, public and private, northern and southern... all kinds
of different instiutions with no cohesion there. That makes them
easy pickings potentially once JMU is gone. With Hartford
dropping to D3 we should try and pull in some replacements.
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