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#Post#: 33413--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Chairman of the Board Date: May 7, 2021, 6:54 am
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[quote]An interesting piece of information that came out of
Herrion Holds Court this past Tuesday was that the AE Presidents
have allowed players from a current AE school to transfer to
another AE school and be eligible right away. Coach Herrion has
said that he thinks all ten head coaches should make a
gentlemen's agreement that they would not take a transfer from
another school but he hasn't discussed it yet with the other
nine coaches.[/quote]
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: ry1nik Date: May 7, 2021, 11:54 am
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=368.msg33412#msg33412 date=1620388230]
Hartford votes to go to Division III.
HTML https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/sports/uhart-votes-to-transition-to-division-iii-sports/2482655/
[/quote]
Wise move. Basketball making it to the NCAA tournament does
nothing to boost the stature of the university. Spending the $9
million/year on faculty, scholarships, and facilities will.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: ecasadoSBU Date: May 10, 2021, 4:03 pm
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There goes Hartford. Best of luck to the University. Nothing
wrong on being conscious of your expenses and making a decision
to improve your academic stature - It is a University first and
foremost after all.
I think we will see more universities choose this route in the
future. It's all part of Division I reaching its natural
equilibrium. Only those schools that can spread the costs across
a large student body will be able to remain in Division I
long-term - unless they make a profit running the programs.
I think large state universities like Stony Brook, Buffalo,
UMass, UConn will always be safe. Mid-sized like UAlbany,
Binghamton, Maine, UNH, UML, UMBC, NJIT, UVM should always
re-evaluate every few years whether it makes sense for them to
bear the costs of Division-I. The privates are even in a tougher
situation and must do the right thing for their University
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: iBOsbu Date: May 10, 2021, 9:59 pm
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With Hartford gone, AEC is now a conference of public
universities.. all with high research activity (R1 or R2
classification). It would be great if they add another public to
make it even. But unfortunately, I can't think of a suitable
candidate meeting the requirements of 1) high-research, 2) state
university, and 3) in AEC footprint.
Some candidates:
--Northeastern and Drexel: R1; but private. location wise either
would be a good addition. Makes sense for them too.. reducing
travel cost. But they would probably not take a u-turn back to
AEC.
--Delaware: R1, public... but has FBS aspiration. similar to
above, they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC
--Towson and CCSU: lack research activity which I think current
AEC presidents value (Last two additions, UMLowell-R2 and
NJIT-R1, are both research oriented State Uni).
--Hofstra: blah.. no
AEC was content with 9 members for a long time. I think its best
to wait. There is no rush. CAA will implode soon as JMU is
itching to go FBS (and may be even Delaware).
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: guest410 Date: May 10, 2021, 10:09 pm
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[quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=368.msg33447#msg33447
date=1620701967]
With Hartford gone, AEC is now a conference of public
universities.. all with high research activity (R1 or R2
classification). It would be great if they add another public to
make it even. But unfortunately, I can't think of a suitable
candidate meeting the requirements of 1) high-research, 2) state
university, and 3) in AEC footprint.
Some candidates:
--Northeastern and Drexel: R1; but private. location wise either
would be a good addition. Makes sense for them too.. reducing
travel cost. But they would probably not take a u-turn back to
AEC.
--Delaware: R1, public... but has FBS aspiration. similar to
above, they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC
--Towson and CCSU: lack research activity which I think current
AEC presidents value (Last two additions, UMLowell-R2 and
NJIT-R1, are both research oriented State Uni).
--Hofstra: blah.. no
AEC was content with 9 members for a long time. I think its best
to wait. There is no rush. CAA will implode soon as JMU is
itching to go FBS (and may be even Delaware).
[/quote]
No team is going to leave the CAA for the AE, it just doesn't
make sense. There's a significant talent dropoff, as well as
athletics funding, and media coverage. CCSU is the only listed
team that makes any sense when it comes to moving to the AE, but
they'd get screwed over in terms of Football. Every AE team that
fields a football team is in the CAA, which already has 12
football members, and that's a lot of teams. If CCSU came to the
AE, they couldn't stay in the NEC for Football unless they got
an exception for it, and the CAA is not looking to add a 13th
member, unless they want to add two and split into two divisions
with a championship game to crown the AQ.
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Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: iBOsbu Date: May 10, 2021, 10:18 pm
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[quote author=AirTurn link=topic=368.msg33448#msg33448
date=1620702599]
[quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=368.msg33447#msg33447
date=1620701967]
With Hartford gone, AEC is now a conference of public
universities.. all with high research activity (R1 or R2
classification). It would be great if they add another public to
make it even. But unfortunately, I can't think of a suitable
candidate meeting the requirements of 1) high-research, 2) state
university, and 3) in AEC footprint.
Some candidates:
--Northeastern and Drexel: R1; but private. location wise either
would be a good addition. Makes sense for them too.. reducing
travel cost. But they would probably not take a u-turn back to
AEC.
--Delaware: R1, public... but has FBS aspiration. similar to
above, they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC
--Towson and CCSU: lack research activity which I think current
AEC presidents value (Last two additions, UMLowell-R2 and
NJIT-R1, are both research oriented State Uni).
--Hofstra: blah.. no
AEC was content with 9 members for a long time. I think its best
to wait. There is no rush. CAA will implode soon as JMU is
itching to go FBS (and may be even Delaware).
[/quote]
No team is going to leave the CAA for the AE, it just doesn't
make sense. There's a significant talent dropoff, as well as
athletics funding, and media coverage. CCSU is the only listed
team that makes any sense when it comes to moving to the AE, but
they'd get screwed over in terms of Football. Every AE team that
fields a football team is in the CAA, which already has 12
football members, and that's a lot of teams. If CCSU came to the
AE, they couldn't stay in the NEC for Football unless they got
an exception for it, and the CAA is not looking to add a 13th
member, unless they want to add two and split into two divisions
with a championship game to crown the AQ.
[/quote]
I agree that currently no CAA team will leave for AE. But I can
see it happening if future based on how dominos fall. There's
already a tension between northern and southern schools. And if
one of JMU and Delaware decide to try their luck in FBS, I have
a feeling things will not go smooth. W&M may decide that without
any of the VA opponents (GMU, VCU, JMU), CAA is not that
enticing.. and may move to SoCon or Patriot. And I am sure CofC,
UNCW, Elon etc would want another southern member (UNCG
perhaps), which wont sit well with Northern teams. That's why I
am against Stony Brook joining CAA all sports. CAA is on a shaky
foundation.
As for CCSU, I just dont think current AE presidents see them as
peer school. Even if NEC allows to park their football, highly
unlikely, I still dont think AEC will extend an invite to CCSU.
#Post#: 33452--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: guest410 Date: May 11, 2021, 8:41 am
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[quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=368.msg33449#msg33449
date=1620703125]
[quote author=AirTurn link=topic=368.msg33448#msg33448
date=1620702599]
[quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=368.msg33447#msg33447
date=1620701967]
With Hartford gone, AEC is now a conference of public
universities.. all with high research activity (R1 or R2
classification). It would be great if they add another public to
make it even. But unfortunately, I can't think of a suitable
candidate meeting the requirements of 1) high-research, 2) state
university, and 3) in AEC footprint.
Some candidates:
--Northeastern and Drexel: R1; but private. location wise either
would be a good addition. Makes sense for them too.. reducing
travel cost. But they would probably not take a u-turn back to
AEC.
--Delaware: R1, public... but has FBS aspiration. similar to
above, they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC
--Towson and CCSU: lack research activity which I think current
AEC presidents value (Last two additions, UMLowell-R2 and
NJIT-R1, are both research oriented State Uni).
--Hofstra: blah.. no
AEC was content with 9 members for a long time. I think its best
to wait. There is no rush. CAA will implode soon as JMU is
itching to go FBS (and may be even Delaware).
[/quote]
No team is going to leave the CAA for the AE, it just doesn't
make sense. There's a significant talent dropoff, as well as
athletics funding, and media coverage. CCSU is the only listed
team that makes any sense when it comes to moving to the AE, but
they'd get screwed over in terms of Football. Every AE team that
fields a football team is in the CAA, which already has 12
football members, and that's a lot of teams. If CCSU came to the
AE, they couldn't stay in the NEC for Football unless they got
an exception for it, and the CAA is not looking to add a 13th
member, unless they want to add two and split into two divisions
with a championship game to crown the AQ.
[/quote]
I agree that currently no CAA team will leave for AE. But I can
see it happening if future based on how dominos fall. There's
already a tension between northern and southern schools. And if
one of JMU and Delaware decide to try their luck in FBS, I have
a feeling things will not go smooth. W&M may decide that without
any of the VA opponents (GMU, VCU, JMU), CAA is not that
enticing.. and may move to SoCon or Patriot. And I am sure CofC,
UNCW, Elon etc would want another southern member (UNCG
perhaps), which wont sit well with Northern teams. That's why I
am against Stony Brook joining CAA all sports. CAA is on a shaky
foundation.
As for CCSU, I just dont think current AE presidents see them as
peer school. Even if NEC allows to park their football, highly
unlikely, I still dont think AEC will extend an invite to CCSU.
[/quote]
The CAA in its current format most likely won't exist in five
years. JMU desperately wants to leave, as they feel they're too
good for the conference in all sports, not just football.
Delaware has behind the scenes looked into a possible switch to
the A10 but they have not been offered, and only did some recon
should an offer come in. And if those two teams go, others might
switch to lower conferences, as you mentioned. Don't forget,
half of the CAA football teams are not CAA full members. URI and
Richmond are A10, Albany, Maine, UNH and SBU are CAA. Only six
teams are full-time members. If Delaware left for the A10, that
would mean six full-time members of that conference fielded a
football team, which would allow the conference to finally get
football.
All of this mostly speculation, aside from confirmed reports
about JMU and UD wanting out or exploring other options. But the
CAA in five years will look very different than it does today.
#Post#: 33454--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Accelerator Date: May 11, 2021, 9:37 am
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Why would Stony Brook want to associate itself with lowly
schools like CCSU?
Stony Brook is too good and popular of a school to be in the
same conference as New Hampshire, Maine, UMass Lowell, NJIT, and
(formerly) Hartford, which if I didn't follow the America East,
I would have assumed those were all D2/D3 schools. If you told
me when I was a student here at Stony Brook back in the early
2010s that in 10 years, we would still be in this conference, I
would have laughed.
#Post#: 33455--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: Hammertime Date: May 11, 2021, 9:43 am
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[quote author=Accelerator link=topic=368.msg33454#msg33454
date=1620743866]
Why would Stony Brook want to associate itself with lowly
schools like CCSU?
Stony Brook is too good and popular of a school to be in the
same conference as New Hampshire, Maine, UMass Lowell, NJIT, and
(formerly) Hartford, which if I didn't follow the America East,
I would have assumed those were all D2/D3 schools. If you told
me when I was a student here at Stony Brook back in the early
2010s that in 10 years, we would still be in this conference, I
would have laughed.
[/quote]
Stony Brook athletics is not a priority for this school. If it
were Chucky Cheese would have gotten the boot a long time ago,
and Geno Ford would not be sitting on a 5-year contract after
Boals departed. Sports are only here just to appease students to
come.
When SH was hired, he has high aspirations in making SBU a
premier D1 school. He quickly realized that cant and won't
happen with a Tyrant Governor calling the shots with SUNY
schools.
#Post#: 33460--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Realignment Rumors
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: May 12, 2021, 12:05 am
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[quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=368.msg33449#msg33449
date=1620703125]
[quote author=AirTurn link=topic=368.msg33448#msg33448
date=1620702599]
[quote author=iBOsbu link=topic=368.msg33447#msg33447
date=1620701967]
With Hartford gone, AEC is now a conference of public
universities.. all with high research activity (R1 or R2
classification). It would be great if they add another public to
make it even. But unfortunately, I can't think of a suitable
candidate meeting the requirements of 1) high-research, 2) state
university, and 3) in AEC footprint.
Some candidates:
--Northeastern and Drexel: R1; but private. location wise either
would be a good addition. Makes sense for them too.. reducing
travel cost. But they would probably not take a u-turn back to
AEC.
--Delaware: R1, public... but has FBS aspiration. similar to
above, they would probably not take a u-turn back to AEC
--Towson and CCSU: lack research activity which I think current
AEC presidents value (Last two additions, UMLowell-R2 and
NJIT-R1, are both research oriented State Uni).
--Hofstra: blah.. no
AEC was content with 9 members for a long time. I think its best
to wait. There is no rush. CAA will implode soon as JMU is
itching to go FBS (and may be even Delaware).
[/quote]
No team is going to leave the CAA for the AE, it just doesn't
make sense. There's a significant talent dropoff, as well as
athletics funding, and media coverage. CCSU is the only listed
team that makes any sense when it comes to moving to the AE, but
they'd get screwed over in terms of Football. Every AE team that
fields a football team is in the CAA, which already has 12
football members, and that's a lot of teams. If CCSU came to the
AE, they couldn't stay in the NEC for Football unless they got
an exception for it, and the CAA is not looking to add a 13th
member, unless they want to add two and split into two divisions
with a championship game to crown the AQ.
[/quote]
I agree that currently no CAA team will leave for AE. But I can
see it happening if future based on how dominos fall. There's
already a tension between northern and southern schools. And if
one of JMU and Delaware decide to try their luck in FBS, I have
a feeling things will not go smooth. W&M may decide that without
any of the VA opponents (GMU, VCU, JMU), CAA is not that
enticing.. and may move to SoCon or Patriot. And I am sure CofC,
UNCW, Elon etc would want another southern member (UNCG
perhaps), which wont sit well with Northern teams. That's why I
am against Stony Brook joining CAA all sports. CAA is on a shaky
foundation.
As for CCSU, I just dont think current AE presidents see them as
peer school. Even if NEC allows to park their football, highly
unlikely, I still dont think AEC will extend an invite to CCSU.
[/quote]
Everything you're saying is spot on. I think the CAA is in
serious trouble once JMU goes FBS (it's only a matter of time in
the next 3-4 years once the new playoff format is finalized and
realignment starts happening again), the rift between northern
and southern, football and non football, private and public
schools will become too great. At that time I think we'd be wise
to offer Towson and Delaware to join the AE as full members and
bring football in-house at that point. They were both former AE
members IIRC and geographically they fit. Delaware in particular
would be a great add.
I also wouldn't mind getting Northeastern back in the
conference. They're a large school and having a school directly
in Boston again I think would be nice for the AE. Getting those
three would get us back to a solid 12 teams.
Hofstra can go pound sand back to the MAAC or even better D3 ;D
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