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Re: Newsday Editorial-"Stony Brook U. on the Rise"
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: July 15, 2013, 6:54 pm
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Top 100 universities in the world:
SBU #89
HTML http://voices.yahoo.com/top-100-universities-around-world-12216724.html?cat=35
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Re: Newsday Editorial-"Stony Brook U. on the Rise"
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: July 15, 2013, 7:43 pm
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I saw that and showed the article to my daughter -Class of
'97. Impressive isn't the word , we are in some very good
company and can only go up. Reading on the website what is
going on out there in medicine, science and some of the
accolades the faculty are receiving is great. I always felt
more of that should be brought out in the local media since we
are an academic powerhouse.
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Re: Newsday Editorial-"Stony Brook U. on the Rise"
DIR By: ry1nik
Date: July 16, 2013, 8:43 am
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Fantastic plug for recruiting
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Re: Newsday Editorial-"Stony Brook U. on the Rise"
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: July 18, 2013, 10:36 pm
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Digging the web:
NY Times article back in 1997:
HTML http://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/19/us/a-study-alters-criteria-in-rating-universities-and-stony-brook-soars.html?src=pm
A Study Alters Criteria in Rating Universities, and Stony Brook
Soars
"Ratings are an American obsession. The best-dressed women. The
most respected professions. The best movie sound track. The best
graduate school programs. All have a lot to do with popularity,
even in academe.
The granddaddy of university rankings is the National Research
Council's 740-page tome, which uses hard data like how many
academic papers are published or how many Ph.D.'s are produced.
But, like the National Academy of Motion Picture Arts and
Sciences in awarding Oscars, the research council asks thousands
of college professors to vote on which programs are best. The
results affect Federal largesse in research grants, applications
for enrollment and faculty recruiting.
Now a new study, published in late January, says reputations can
be misleading. Using data like research dollars and numbers of
publications, the authors have produced a new pecking order that
places the State University of New York at Stony Brook in the
same league as the University of California at Berkeley, the
University of Michigan and the University of Wisconsin at
Madison."
"The study, ''The Rise of American Research Universities: Elites
and Challengers in the Postwar Era'' (Johns Hopkins University
Press), by Hugh Davis Graham, a professor at Vanderbilt
University, and Nancy Diamond, a graduate student in public
policy at the University of Maryland at Baltimore County, argue
that ratings based on reputation reflect yesterday's reality and
understate the quality of some universities while overstating
others.
The study ranks Stony Brook as the third-best public research
university in the nation, behind only the University of
California campuses at Berkeley and at Santa Barbara and ahead
of both Michigan and Wisconsin. The study also ranks the State
University of New York at Albany as 20th and the State
University of New York at Buffalo as 31st.
Similarly, University of California campuses besides Berkeley
and Santa Barbara did very well; the top 17 included U.C.L.A.,
San Diego, Riverside, Santa Cruz and Irvine.
''The strength of the new public institutions leaps out at
you,'' said Professor Graham, who notes that some of these
universities did not even exist at the end of World War II.
Stony Brook, for example, was plunked down on Long Island's
potato fields only 40 years ago, and Albany turned from a
teachers college to a research university in 1963.
Among private universities, the rankings put Brandeis
University, founded in 1948, tied for ninth place with Johns
Hopkins. Stanford led the list, with Princeton second, followed
by the University of Chicago, Harvard and Yale, all tied for
third.
The study used conventional criteria like publications and
research money but avoided criteria based on reputations. It
also departed from tradition by giving smaller colleges a
handicap; the scoring was averages per professor, not totals,
which give bigger campuses an advantage.
The study used five criteria, all divided by the total number of
faculty members: Federal grants for research and development,
the number of journal articles published by its faculty members,
the number of articles published in a smaller number of
prestigious journals in science and technology and in the social
and behavioral sciences, and awards in the arts and humanities.
The study counted fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation and
the American Council of Learned Societies and grants from the
National Endowment for the Arts and the National Endowment for
the Humanities. The data covered 25 years, from 1965 to 1990.
Some ratings experts applauded the elimination of reputation as
a criteria."
"'Reputations are very, very slow to change,'' said David S.
Webster, an associate professor at Oklahoma State who
specializes in university rankings. ''Even a guy like me, who
likes to think he keeps up with college quality, sometimes finds
he has not.''
Cornelius Pings, president of the Association of American
Universities, a consortium of leading research universities,
agrees. Mr. Pings said one reputational study declared that the
California Institute of Technology had one of the nation's top
25 psychology departments. But Cal Tech did not have a
psychology department.
Mr. Pings said the association, which has been criticized for
being slow to take in up-and-coming institutions, would review
the study ''to see if we can learn anything.''
The new data offer a welcome payoff to states like New York and
California that have poured billions of dollars into their
public universities only to have them thought of as solid and
worthy, but not spectacular or great.
''In some ways, Stony Brook has been a well-kept secret,'' said
Shirley Strum Kenny, president of the university. She plans to
distribute the study to trustees and legislators.
Karen Hitchcock, president of the State University of New York
at Albany, said: ''By taking the size factor out of the
analysis, it demonstrates our quality very starkly. This study
shows what investment can do, and shows the potential of further
investment.''
What led Professor Graham and Ms. Diamond to rethink the
rankings was the conviction that their own small, relatively
young institution, the University of Maryland at Baltimore
County, where Professor Graham taught in the mid-1980's and
where Ms. Diamond was studying for a doctorate, was not getting
the recognition it deserved.
Once reputations did not matter and size was adjusted for, ''lo
and behold, U.M.B.C. looked very good,'' Ms. Diamond said.
Still, it is not Berkeley or Harvard. Brendan A. Maher, a
Harvard professor who was co-chairman of the National Research
Council's 1995 ratings, contended that reputational information
is not simply a ''weird artifact,'' and challenged the
adjustment for size.
''I would challenge immediately the whole business of correcting
for size,'' Professor Maher said. ''The question is which you'd
rather go to, a small hospital like Southern Massachusetts or a
large one like Massachusetts General.''
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Re: Newsday Editorial-"Stony Brook U. on the Rise"
DIR By: guest441
Date: December 11, 2022, 4:10 pm
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--- Quote from: Chairman of the Board link ---
>
>
HTML https://alumniandfriends.stonybrook.edu/main-site/5.-get-involved/infinite-possibilities-tour-fall-2012-?erid=7146881&trid=d991d242-4347-4d19-9aab-bec69d86aced
>
> Last night here in NYC i went to the Century Association for
an intimate discussion with Dr. Stanley. First off, he is a
great speaker, no notes, went for about an hour, took questions,
and was very funny. I got to meet him and really liked him. I
already knew i liked his work.
>
> He talked a lot about our accomplishments in the past few
years- AAU, athletics, fellowships, new hires, private
donations, Simons gift, attracting new talent, better faculty,
rising SATs and GPAs, rising applicants, research projects, the
medical center, new programs, etc. Thats only partial. This is
an exciting time to be a part of such a great institution.
>
> I didnt even mention the construction projects- bball arena,
the stadium, hotel, wireless, rec center, 25a project, dorms etc
and the list goes on.
>
> I got to chat with him directly and i let him know that- our
students, alumni, and former athletes (like yourselves) are
doing our best to get the word out, watching games, donating
money, going to campus, etc. He was very excited about what we
are doing- he said "i wish we could clone a hundred" of us fans.
>
> We are in good hands. The presentation was downright
inspiring.
>
> GO SB
>
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And here we are 11 years later with an ad and football and
basketball coach's who have driven the program into the ground.
There is no hope to get excited about.
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Re: Newsday Editorial-"Stony Brook U. on the Rise"
DIR By: Accelerator
Date: December 12, 2022, 8:53 pm
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Jim Fiore being unable to keep his d*ck in his pants set Stony
Brook back decades. As well as not hiring Matt Larsen as his
successor instead of Heilbron.
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Re: Newsday Editorial-"Stony Brook U. on the Rise"
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: December 13, 2022, 4:27 am
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--- Quote from: Accelerator link ---
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> Jim Fiore being unable to keep his d*ck in his pants set Stony
Brook back decades. As well as not hiring Matt Larsen as his
successor instead of Heilbron.
>
--- End Quote ---
You can’t blame SB failures on Fiore. Not hiring Larsen as the
AD was their demise.
I think SB wanted to go a different direction at that time
anyways. Larsen was too close to Fiore and must have had similar
athletic interests as Fiore. This is why they let him go and
hired Heilbron, who clearly is not all about athletics and
doesn’t have that strong winning tradition.
SUNY schools were making that strong transition into diversity
and inclusion at that time, and they still are but Fiore and
Larsen apparently had different views about that. So they
decided to go in the Heilbron direction. What direction SH has
in mind I have no idea. Obviously not about having a strong
athletics program..
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Re: Newsday Editorial-"Stony Brook U. on the Rise"
DIR By: guest441
Date: December 16, 2022, 7:43 pm
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--- Quote from: Hammertime link ---
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> [quote author=Accelerator link=topic=35.msg38001#msg38001
date=1670900001]
> Jim Fiore being unable to keep his d*ck in his pants set Stony
Brook back decades. As well as not hiring Matt Larsen as his
successor instead of Heilbron.
>
--- End Quote ---
You can’t blame SB failures on Fiore. Not hiring Larsen as the
AD was their demise.
I think SB wanted to go a different direction at that time
anyways. Larsen was too close to Fiore and must have had similar
athletic interests as Fiore. This is why they let him go and
hired Heilbron, who clearly is not all about athletics and
doesn’t have that strong winning tradition.
SUNY schools were making that strong transition into diversity
and inclusion at that time, and they still are but Fiore and
Larsen apparently had different views about that. So they
decided to go in the Heilbron direction. What direction SH has
in mind I have no idea. Obviously not about having a strong
athletics program..
[/quote]
If heilbron knows what direction he wants to go hes not capable
of getting there and the past 8 years prove that. The direction
Heilbron should be heading is OUT.
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