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Re: New Athletic Projects?
By: ecasadoSBU Date: October 6, 2011, 2:48 pm
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My preference is to go ahead and get into the CAA like Redwyn
said and then eventually move up to the FBS.
TCU announced negotiations with the Big XII. If TCU drops out of
the Big East before getting ever playing then the Big East will
loose its automatic BCS bid unless they add a 7th team. In order
to get a BCS auto-bid you need seven teams. Big East football
days are counted unless they hurry and add another school.
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Re: New Athletic Projects?
By: sbufan Date: October 6, 2011, 3:01 pm
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[quote author=ry1nik link=topic=3.msg60#msg60 date=1317923245]
While the Arena is the most pressing problem, there is some
merit to expanding the stadium. I'm sure Fiore is chomping at
the bit to have SBU football move up to FBS and join the Big
East, which is HUNGRY for new members after being down to six
football schools. I don't know where the funding would come
from...certainly not the state...but perhaps from some rich
alumni who are big fans, or maybe even the Big East itself
(though I'm not sure that's possible).
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There's actually a good deal of state money floating around for
renovation projects if you haven't noticed around the campus. 16
of the 20 million dollars for Albany's new stadium are coming
from a SUNY maintenance fund. I'd like the stadium expansion so
that we could possibly get a MAC football invite if someone
like Temple moved to the Big East (again) or maybe Conference
USA.
My understanding for the arena renovation funding is that the
money was never taken back and spent by the state. The 20
million dollars allotted to the project back in 2008 is sitting
in an account somewhere safeguarded by legislative red tape. If
that's the case I'm pretty disappointed it was frozen in the
first place and can't believe it hasn't been unfrozen.
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Re: New Athletic Projects?
By: sbufan Date: October 6, 2011, 3:07 pm
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[quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=3.msg62#msg62
date=1317930011]
WOW.... SB and Big East in the same sentence... Lets not get
ahead of ourselves right now. We dont even have a fanbase that
can fill an 8k stadium. There is no way the Big East would be
interested in a school like Stony Brook... If anything, they
would start grabbing from the CAA or another conference before
they ever choose Stony Brook. We need 10 years at least of
consistent and notable improvement before we can join any FBS
coference.
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I know I piss some people off by saying this but I don't think
this is the case. I think we need a stadium that holds 20k+ and
playoff calibre teams. I think Stony Brook could be/is a real
intriguing school to FBS conference officials.
#Post#: 66--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Athletic Projects?
By: Seawolf97 Date: October 6, 2011, 8:05 pm
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While I would love to see a 20k stadium and SBU in the MAC
there are more obstacles than just funding .
The local community wasnt too supportive about building the
present stadium due added noise, traffic and whatever else a
football stadium brings with it.
20,000 fans means lots of cars. Even if 4 people came in a car
that is still quite alot of traffic. So we need ample access
roads and parking.
More people means more creature comforts like restrooms ,
concession stands etc. So we need added plumbing , drainage
probably more electric power.
All this plus probably more has to be taken into
consideration. It can be done because other schools such as
Buffalo have done it. Maybe 10 years is a good target date not
only to build up the program but iron out al the details.
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Re: New Athletic Projects?
By: ecasadoSBU Date: October 6, 2011, 9:04 pm
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The community is not supportive of anything that means growth
and development in their backyards... Long Island has that
suburban atmosphere, and they oppose anything that can
potentially erase that, even if that could mean more jobs and
money for all of them....
But again, No one can stop growth... no one can stop Stony Brook
from building in their own grounds. We have already seen the
University take all different measures to keep growing (i.e
using eminent domain to buy property for R&D park). Nicolls Road
(CR-97) can manage well the added load of traffic. The only
expansion that needs to be considered would be parts of Circle
Road and Stadium Rd, and more parking lots surrounding the
stadium. Also the infrastructure you pointed out
In reality, what SB should consider is building a 20k-30k
stadium in the next 10 years with the possibility of further
expansion for the long term growth of the football program, . I
mean, they should think about maxing out in the 40-50k... That
would be awesome and it would place them with the Universities
that Stony Brook wants to be part of (aims to be)...
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Re: New Athletic Projects?
By: ry1nik Date: October 7, 2011, 10:02 am
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Personally, if SBU doesn't go FBS, I think there's merit to
remaining with the Big South. Given the low quality of the Big
South teams, SB has a 50/50 chance of winning the championship
and getting into the playoffs in any given year. There's no way
the odds will be that high if they join the CAA. Sure,
recruiting MAY be easier, but so what if there's not a good
chance year in and year out of making it to the post season? I
believe most fans would want to see SB in the playoffs on a
consistent basis rather than simply playing in the CAA.
I'm not even sure going FBS is desirable given the congestion it
would create on game day. It's fun going to a game with 7,000
fans. It's not so much fun when 27,000 other fans are headed in
the same direction.
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Re: New Athletic Projects?
By: sbufan Date: October 7, 2011, 12:01 pm
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Yeah, I don't think getting an FBS sized stadium will be easy
but I think that's the limiting factor as far as going FBS is
concerned. Regarding having 20+ thousand fans at Stony Brook, I
thought that would be a huge issue until I thought about the
fact that Stony Brook has 24k thousand students. How many
people are on campus on any given day? I'd imagine if Lavalle
expanded fans would park at south P and Stony Brook would
provide bussing to the stadium. I don't think any of this is
around the corner though. If Stony Brook expanded Lavalle in the
near future it would probably first be to 15k which I heard was
the original designed expansion plan.
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Re: New Athletic Projects?
By: Redwyn Date: October 7, 2011, 7:11 pm
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[quote author=sbufan link=topic=3.msg71#msg71 date=1318006877]
Yeah, I don't think getting an FBS sized stadium will be easy
but I think that's the limiting factor as far as going FBS is
concerned. Regarding having 20+ thousand fans at Stony Brook, I
thought that would be a huge issue until I thought about the
fact that Stony Brook has 24k thousand students. How many
people are on campus on any given day? I'd imagine if Lavalle
expanded fans would park at south P and Stony Brook would
provide bussing to the stadium. I don't think any of this is
around the corner though. If Stony Brook expanded Lavalle in the
near future it would probably first be to 15k which I heard was
the original designed expansion plan.
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1. If SBU used South P, Stony Brook Road would be impassable on
gameday. It's also 1 lane, which would need to be expanded
UNLESS we do what many FBS schools do and essentially turn the
whole road 1-way for game day. This works for many FBS programs,
and conversations with many in the SB Fire Department (of which
I'm also a member) show an understanding that such an
arrangement would be acceptable should the community elect to
support it. Every house would have an outlet due to backroads
and such. it's just necessary to show the community that it
would benefit from such a position. I really don't know if SBU
has that type of community support yet, though I see that as a
possibility with some goodwill acts down the line.
It may also be necessary to shut down the route for a Bus to get
people from South P to the Stadium completely, allowing only the
North Entrance to be open to traffic going to the Stadium Lot
(VIP/Season Ticket only). This would allow an efficient movement
of buses from South P to the lot without any anticipated
secondary traffic.
2. 15-20K was indeed the original designed max. Expanding beyond
this would require substantial infrastructure that the stadium
doesn't have. Even the initial expansion would require extra
pre-implementation changes. Fact is, it's expensive to get
there, but simply isn't reasonable unless there's a proven trend
that the seats would fill.
3. The comment on 24K students. This analogy would hold water if
all 24K students were directed to Javits Lecture Hall at the
same time. Now imagine that all of them want to park their cars
at the same time. SBU during normal operation spreads this
population out substantially, and the majority of students don't
have vehicles on campus. 20K to a stadium is a VERY tough
proposition. Not an impossible one, but one in which the very
fabric of SBU's infrastructure would be tested. Incentives to
take the train, efficient bus-use from South P (ala the Jets
while the New Meadowlands was being built), and well developed
traffic patterns are ABSOLUTELY necessary to make this happen.
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