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#Post#: 23356--------------------------------------------------
Re: Academic Rankings
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 3, 2018, 9:38 am
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someone over at the bball forum stacked up the AE schools from
the UN&WR rankings:
[quote]#80 - SUNY Binghampton (tie)
#80 - Stony Brook (tie)
#96 - University of Vermont
#106 - UNH
#140 - UAlbany
#157 - UMass-Lowell
#165 - UMBC
#177 - Maine
#194 - University of Hartford
A few others for comparison:
#42 - BU
#44 - Northeastern
#70 - UMass-Amherst
#89 - Delaware (tie)
#89 - SUNY Buffalo (tie)
#157 - URI
HTML https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges...l-universities[/quote]
#Post#: 23368--------------------------------------------------
Re: Academic Rankings
By: ecasadoSBU Date: October 3, 2018, 9:01 pm
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[quote author=VA_Seawolf link=topic=299.msg23082#msg23082
date=1536724652]
Here's a fun little tid-bit for the anti-FBS football crowd. Of
all the pubic schools with football programs ranked ahead of us
the latest US News rankings, only two of them have football in
the FCS. UC Davis, and William and Mary. Everyone else is FBS
and most of those are in P5 conferences. How good you are on the
field doesn't matter. It's about how you do in the classroom
first and foremost. If it was all about on-field performance,
Boise State would be in the Pac-12, North Dakota State would be
in the Big 10, and Rutgers would be in the NAIA.
[/quote]
Honestly I think it has to do more with size than anything else.
Most top public universities are the "flagship" or "Land Grant"
U (this also signifies a good quality of education) of their
respective state with large enrollment figures which allows them
to fund a large football program with less of a drain on
resources as they can distribute expenses across a larger
student body/alumni base.
I think Stony Brook can easily achieve FBS status if we wanted
to. Even right now! Nothing is stopping us from doing it. But
why invest more at this point when the attendance and student
support figures are just not there?!?!... do we just want to
blow up more money?
I say keep improving attendance and facilities (i.e: Indoor
Practice Facility) and maybe 10 years down the line we can
justify moving up to FBS. We are also building a great program
in the CAA esp. from last year onward. Lets keep on building the
winning tradition which can only make the transition smoother in
the future. For now, we get to play with the FCS flagship state
Universities of the Northeast which are great schools and
nothing to be ashamed of (Delaware, Maine, UNH, URI, Albany** )
At the end of the day. I think Stony Brook and Buffalo are the
best suited NY public schools for FBS competition and we will
probably find each other in the same conference some day, even
with Buffalo's head start. We have a 25K+ student population,
are strong research institutions with AAU membership, and are
the most comprehensive universities of our state. Albany and
Binghamton just don't have the size and prestige that SBU/UB
have...
#Post#: 23375--------------------------------------------------
Re: Academic Rankings
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: October 3, 2018, 9:59 pm
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[quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=299.msg23368#msg23368
date=1538618472]
[quote author=VA_Seawolf link=topic=299.msg23082#msg23082
date=1536724652]
Here's a fun little tid-bit for the anti-FBS football crowd. Of
all the pubic schools with football programs ranked ahead of us
the latest US News rankings, only two of them have football in
the FCS. UC Davis, and William and Mary. Everyone else is FBS
and most of those are in P5 conferences. How good you are on the
field doesn't matter. It's about how you do in the classroom
first and foremost. If it was all about on-field performance,
Boise State would be in the Pac-12, North Dakota State would be
in the Big 10, and Rutgers would be in the NAIA.
[/quote]
Honestly I think it has to do more with size than anything else.
Most top public universities are the "flagship" or "Land Grant"
U (this also signifies a good quality of education) of their
respective state with large enrollment figures which allows them
to fund a large football program with less of a drain on
resources as they can distribute expenses across a larger
student body/alumni base.
I think Stony Brook can easily achieve FBS status if we wanted
to. Even right now! Nothing is stopping us from doing it. But
why invest more at this point when the attendance and student
support figures are just not there?!?!... do we just want to
blow up more money?
I say keep improving attendance and facilities (i.e: Indoor
Practice Facility) and maybe 10 years down the line we can
justify moving up to FBS. We are also building a great program
in the CAA esp. from last year onward. Lets keep on building the
winning tradition which can only make the transition smoother in
the future. For now, we get to play with the FCS flagship state
Universities of the Northeast which are great schools and
nothing to be ashamed of (Delaware, Maine, UNH, URI, Albany** )
At the end of the day. I think Stony Brook and Buffalo are the
best suited NY public schools for FBS competition and we will
probably find each other in the same conference some day, even
with Buffalo's head start. We have a 25K+ student population,
are strong research institutions with AAU membership, and are
the most comprehensive universities of our state. Albany and
Binghamton just don't have the size and prestige that SBU/UB
have...
[/quote]
I actually agree with pretty much all of this. I don't think we
need to pull a Liberty and go FBS via independence, however
should a suitable invite come, I think we better take it rather
than pull a JMU or a Umass and decline it. In UMass's case, they
were in a way better basketball conference and didn't want to
sacrifice that for their football. We don't have that problem
being in the AE. JMU simply thought they were too good for the
Sun Belt.
Another round of realignment is coming in the next 5-7 years and
there's a decent chance we could get the call then given all the
movement that's likely going to happen in the Big 12 and
elsewhere. I think the most likely conference is the MAC, and if
they come calling I say we take it. We can compete well in the
MAC and we'd have Buffalo as a rival. IDK if the MAC sponsors
LAX or baseball, but I'm sure we could find a good home for
those sports if need be (possibly keeping them in the AE).
If an invite doesn't come though, I'd be content with where
we're at for a while longer. We're in a very good spot right now
all things considered. Build the program up, hopefully win a
national title, and then in the 2030's sometime make the move.
With the trajectory SBU is on, we might be able to set our
sights higher than the MAC at that point.
#Post#: 23388--------------------------------------------------
Re: Academic Rankings
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 4, 2018, 8:44 am
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let's play out a scenario that hopefully addresses two related
topics- attendance, and FBS.
let's say we move into the mid american. now we play better,
higher profile teams. kids should be more enticed to watch. so
we bring in... the akron zips. or the toledo rockets. do we go
from 7700 fans (last game) to... 10k? 12K?
i guess my point is- it's not that sexy of a headline for
college kids who arent already on campus.
they dont know of the central michigan chippewas or the kent
state golden flashes. to them, in fact, these might be LESS
well known that JMU, nova, towson, etc. despite the fact that
we here all know it's a different level of football.
i guess what im saying is- while better players might be
attracted by FBS opponents, i'm not going to assume that student
fans will get the difference.
even if they do- what do we pick up- another 2k fans???
#Post#: 23389--------------------------------------------------
Re: Academic Rankings
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 4, 2018, 8:49 am
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[quote]Another round of realignment is coming in the next 5-7
years and there's a decent chance we could get the call then
given all the movement that's likely going to happen in the Big
12 and elsewhere. [/quote]
just curious on this point- where did you hear about upcoming
realignments in the Big 12, and who is moving where? Is this
the texas B12 network thing again? thanks.
also agreed on the backup plan of sticking it out in the CAA/AE
for a while, with the hopes that the right invitation will come
at some point...
#Post#: 23390--------------------------------------------------
Re: Academic Rankings
By: ecasadoSBU Date: October 4, 2018, 9:18 am
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=299.msg23388#msg23388 date=1538660643]
let's play out a scenario that hopefully addresses two related
topics- attendance, and FBS.
let's say we move into the mid american. now we play better,
higher profile teams. kids should be more enticed to watch. so
we bring in... the akron zips. or the toledo rockets. do we go
from 7700 fans (last game) to... 10k? 12K?
i guess my point is- it's not that sexy of a headline for
college kids who arent already on campus.
they dont know of the central michigan chippewas or the kent
state golden flashes. to them, in fact, these might be LESS
well known that JMU, nova, towson, etc. despite the fact that
we here all know it's a different level of football.
i guess what im saying is- while better players might be
attracted by FBS opponents, i'm not going to assume that student
fans will get the difference.
even if they do- what do we pick up- another 2k fans???
[/quote]
That post is spot on. It is my concern too. The MAC would
probably be our landing spot. But how attractive are these
opponents for our current and future fans? Our fans won't know
any of those programs outside of Buffalo. This is why we have to
be careful and smart about the move up.
Right now we are at the top FCS conference where we get to play
well known northeast flagship (or good secondary state public
schools). To change that to play in the obscure MAC and pick up
a tab for 20 additional scholarships doesn't sound exciting.
#Post#: 23393--------------------------------------------------
Re: Academic Rankings
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: October 4, 2018, 11:38 am
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When it comes to attendance, the MAC currently plays several
games on weeknights for a larger payday from ESPN. For most
schools this might not be the best thing, but with our large
commuter population, it addresses a large problem we currently
have. The students would already be here due to classes and
wouldn't have to come out on a weekend. I think we should
experiment with a few Thursday night games in the coming years
to see if attendance is better. I believe it might.
The CAA has great schools, it's still the FCS and FCS schools
get a fraction of the coverage FBS schools get. It wasn't long
ago that our conference games were against Gardner Webb,
Presbyterian, Liberty, and VMI. Despite being in the CAA,
attendance isn't any better than it was previously as our
opponents are still irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
The most poorly viewed bowl game gets more views than the FCS
championship game.
A big benefit of being FBS that's being discounted is who we can
get home games with OOC. Being FBS opens up the possibility for
home games against big name schools in our region that are
impossible to get right now. Umass, Uconn, Temple, Army, Navy,
Pitt, Boston College, Syracuse, Rutgers, Maryland, all become
potential home opponents once you go FBS. That cannot happen
right now.
#Post#: 23394--------------------------------------------------
Re: Academic Rankings
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: October 4, 2018, 11:57 am
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Chairman, it's well known that when the Big 12's current TV
contract expires, several schools could be out the door looking
for greener pastures (or fighting to save the prestige of their
athletic programs). It largely centers on Oklahoma and their
president who supposedly wants them in the Big Ten. If they go,
they could bring Kansas with them to the B1G. It's also possible
they head to the SEC with Kansas or Oklahoma State, and there's
also the remote possibility of Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas,
and Texas Tech all heading to the Pac-12 as was rumored in 2010.
HTML https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/paul-finebaum-oklahoma-desperate-get-big-12/
HTML https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/collegesports/2018/05/20/flashpointthe-forces-extinguish-big-12-coming-sides<br
/>
The potential scenarios are numerous, but the ripple effects
will be felt all the way down into the FCS. The top of the Big
12 could leave, then the Big 12 could back-fill with current AAC
schools, MWC schools, and/or BYU, those conferences would then
need to backfill those departures, and so on and so forth down
the line until eventually FCS schools will need to be called up
to fill in the gaps. Heilbron wants us to be a strong candidate
for one of those open spots in the next 5-7 years, and I believe
he has his sights set on The American which would be perfect.
We're not alone though, as JMU and Delaware are also clearly
eyeing move ups to FBS. The possibility of a new FBS conference
forming in the east is also out there. Definitely exciting times
ahead.
The best thing we can do is continue winning (in all sports),
keep up the academics, and improve our facilities like we've
been doing. A large shift is likely coming in the middle of the
next decade which after all is said and done should open up an
attractive landing spot for SBU that we can hopefully seize.
#Post#: 23395--------------------------------------------------
Re: Academic Rankings
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 4, 2018, 12:00 pm
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yep- i remember 15 years ago when the big east got gutted by the
big 10 and ACC and then retooled with cincy, south fla, uconn,
louisville.
and they played on thursdays. it was the only game on. i
watched.
agreed that it would at least enhance attendance. and that we
should experiment (before a bye week, of course!).
i also do agree that the FBS is in our future- just not sure of
the timeline yet.
#Post#: 23396--------------------------------------------------
Re: Academic Rankings
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 4, 2018, 12:05 pm
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why are okla and kansas tied together, is it because conferences
want joiners in pairs? (Colorado/Utah, Miami/VT, etc)
i remember the texas rumor. and heard it was all about the
longhorn network.
thanks for the links, good info.
as it stands today- id be more interested in the AAC than the
MAC, despite the fact that i think we'd struggle more there.
our budget would have to increase, and i do think there are some
sexier names to put asses in seats. good stuff.
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