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#Post#: 6688--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Shake Up!
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: May 4, 2013, 9:15 am
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Hofstra was the big kid on the block for years and never
thought about the state school in Suffolk County. Now over
the last 10 years that state school has grown leaps and bounds
and Hofstra remains - well just Hofstra. We have become a
global enterprise and Hofstra has no footprint out of Long
Island. Our academics have risen as well as our athletics and
you rarely hear about Hofstra in the media. We had a 1/2 page
in the Newsday about our Alan Alda Center for Communications
Sciences- the only one its kind in the country. Add to that
expanding medical facilities etc. Hofstra's President must have
nightmares. Thats why we got blocked. Rivalry has nothing to do
with how their Pres feels about SBU. I think if he could build a
Berlin Wall dividing Nassau and Suffolk he would do it.
#Post#: 6689--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Shake Up!
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: May 4, 2013, 1:42 pm
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seawolf97.. I know little to nothing about how all of this
conference realignment stuff work, only from what I'am reading
from this board. What other alternative powers does SB have to
try and gain full membership with the CAA ?? Could they possibly
keep Football in the CAA and move all of the reaming Div1 sports
to, lets say the Northeast conference, and remain like that for
years?? Is this common practise with NCAA sports!! What are the
pros and cons of doing just that ??
#Post#: 6690--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Shake Up!
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: May 4, 2013, 3:59 pm
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Hammer my feeling is we are not in a good situation at the
moment as is the rest of the America East. If indeed Albany
leaves that gives us problems in Baseball and Lacrosse.
Remaining baseball programs would be - SBU, UMBC, Maine,
Hartford, Binghamton and U Mass Lowell ? Lax would be SBU,
UMBC, Binghamton, Hartford and Vermont. Not sure about U Mass
Lowell. A conference needs a minimum of 5 programs to sponsor a
sport. So we are close to that bare minimum already. So what
would be SBU's options - Remain in the AE with football in the
CAA. Look for an invite to another conference which is by
invite only now. So where would we go? Going back to the NEC
cant happen unless football drops to 40 schollies thats their
rule. The A10 is an upward move in only basketball- they dont
support football or lax and are mediocre at best in other
sports. The PL would be a good fit but we dont fit their
profile with their AI ( Academic Index) besides we are just too
big and a state school. So my guess is meetings this week
within our Athletic Dept to come up with plan B. As long as
the present admins at Hofstra, NorthEastern and Drexel remain
our chances of seeing the CAA for all sports is nill. So my
feeling is ride it out in the AE and politic for an invite from
the MAC in a few years. We have invested millions in
facilities, recruiting and staffs to move up eventually so we
are school worth considering. Buffalo is our biggest fan to
join them and we match their academics as an AAU University.
Go to the MAC find a good home for our Lax teams and oh yes
raise money for those extra scholarahips in football and a
bigger stadium.
To answer a question the NEC requires their programs to all be
NEC teams . Monmouth got ousted when they moved to the MAAC
just recently forcing them to play football as an independent.
Anything above the MAC would be more than a reach right now -
CUSA or above is the big boys and big budgets.
You know this may help us in the long run find a more stable
home and a stronger home for all sports. We have been hedging
on leaving the AE so maybe its our time, ahead of time. Stay
tuned.
#Post#: 6694--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Shake Up!
DIR By: Redwyn
Date: May 5, 2013, 1:46 am
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--- Quote from: Seawolf97 link ---
>
> Hammer my feeling is we are not in a good situation at the
moment as is the rest of the America East. If indeed Albany
leaves that gives us problems in Baseball and Lacrosse.
Remaining baseball programs would be - SBU, UMBC, Maine,
Hartford, Binghamton and U Mass Lowell ? Lax would be SBU,
UMBC, Binghamton, Hartford and Vermont. Not sure about U Mass
Lowell. A conference needs a minimum of 5 programs to sponsor a
sport. So we are close to that bare minimum already. So what
would be SBU's options - Remain in the AE with football in the
CAA. Look for an invite to another conference which is by
invite only now. So where would we go? Going back to the NEC
cant happen unless football drops to 40 schollies thats their
rule. The A10 is an upward move in only basketball- they dont
support football or lax and are mediocre at best in other
sports. The PL would be a good fit but we dont fit their
profile with their AI ( Academic Index) besides we are just too
big and a state school. So my guess is meetings this week
within our Athletic Dept to come up with plan B. As long as
the present admins at Hofstra, NorthEastern and Drexel remain
our chances of seeing the CAA for all sports is nill. So my
feeling is ride it out in the AE and politic for an invite from
the MAC in a few years. We have invested millions in
facilities, recruiting and staffs to move up eventually so we
are school worth considering. Buffalo is our biggest fan to
join them and we match their academics as an AAU University.
Go to the MAC find a good home for our Lax teams and oh yes
raise money for those extra scholarahips in football and a
bigger stadium.
> To answer a question the NEC requires their programs to all be
NEC teams . Monmouth got ousted when they moved to the MAAC
just recently forcing them to play football as an independent.
Anything above the MAC would be more than a reach right now -
CUSA or above is the big boys and big budgets.
> You know this may help us in the long run find a more stable
home and a stronger home for all sports. We have been hedging
on leaving the AE so maybe its our time, ahead of time. Stay
tuned.
>
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1. U Mass Lowell is starting MLAX
2. Albany to the CAA without Stony Brook is essentially
forfeiting rivalry and NCAA money. Terrible idea - but they'll
go for it because this conference - despite having a better
basketball RPI - is still regarded as worse than the AEC
3. Stony Brook, if Hofstra holds and we're not admitted as a
package deal with Albany, MUST immediately expand the stadium
and go for the MAC. I know we were planning on taking it slow to
build the brand, but frankly time is no longer an asset. We have
plenty of alumni/major donors that it wouldn't be difficult to
raise the expansion money without state support. Hell - Jim
Simons would prob buy us the expansion on his own, given how
athletic and academic reputations go hand in hand nowadays. If
I'm SB, I no longer consider Hofstra irrelevant, I begin to work
on ways to eradicate it completely academically and
athletically. I'm not a very nice person when I decide that
someone isn't worth my time...
#Post#: 6696--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Shake Up!
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: May 5, 2013, 10:36 am
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[QUOTE]If I'm SB, I no longer consider Hofstra irrelevant, I
begin to work on ways to eradicate it completely academically
and athletically. I'm not a very nice person when I decide that
someone isn't worth my time...[/QUOTE]
Made my day!!
I haven't hit the panic button yet but going straight to the MAC
is an idea that needs to at least be considered by our AD. I do
agree that time is running out. But we are a valuable and
growing school with a forward-thinking administration and I have
no doubt they will position us in a favorable position for the
future.
I'm just going to wait and see if this rumor of Albany leaving
has any substance. I have only heard Albany fans commenting
about it so I really don't know how much of this true at this
point. Has anybody heard any other credible source say anything
about this?
#Post#: 6698--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Shake Up!
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: May 5, 2013, 10:55 am
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After reading and commenting on this subject I've come to the
conclusion.. I find it very difficult a state run school like
Stony brook will just fall apart in regards to the Athletic
dept. I mean really. Do you really think Gov Cuomo and kenneth
Lavelle will allow this to happen???? I don't.. If Hofstra
President continues playing hard ball with Conference banning
there could be some serious consequences with future expansions
and developments with Hofstra University in regards to State
Loans.. if you know what i mean !!! So, I think the powers to be
in Albany will have their way when push comes to shove !!!
Anyone else care to respond to this opinion of mine !!!!!
#Post#: 6699--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Shake Up!
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: May 5, 2013, 11:30 am
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No Hammer. I honestly don't think they will go that far. They
won't prioritize SBU athletics over another's schools academics
and state loans, student loans, etc... But LaValle will
definitely back us up in regards to future funding for
facilities and support for athletics. The guy has done tons of
stuff for our university when it comes to getting the $$$ to get
things done.
#Post#: 6703--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Shake Up!
DIR By: Seawolf97
Date: May 5, 2013, 1:54 pm
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Not sure what the AE will do if Albany bolts. Do we invite
another D1 program or will they grab another D2 upgrade and no
offense to U Mass Lowell? This will hurt with recruiting, RPI
for various sports and corporate sponsors which the athletics
dept. is trying to build now. We can compete at the next level
with MAC teams, and with higher level recruiting remain
competitve in a conference such as the MAC.The MAC I believe
are mid sized or larger public universities some with good
name recognition that is a plus . Plus another upside you draw
home games against some BCS/FBS programs. I think Indiana
plays at U Mass this year in football and Buffalo had UTEP at
home two years ago. True Thats not Texas but it isnt Pace
either. Plus we could see some nice hoops games in our new
arena with local powers like St Johns or Seaton Hall because we
are in FBS League.
#Post#: 6714--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Shake Up!
DIR By: iBOsbu
Date: May 6, 2013, 9:03 pm
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This sucks if it is true that UA moving to CAA and Hofstra is
blocking us. The options ahead for us are:
1) stay as it is now...keep all sports in AE and football in
CAA. AE gets weaker with UA leaving and may be finally we get to
go to the dance
2) prepare to move for MAC as some suggested above. It's not
impossible. But they are horrible in basketball. FBS Football is
not much better either. Do we really want to follow Buffalo's
footstep?
3) IMO, we should be happy with football in CAA. Keep improving
our basketball and try to get an invite from Atlantic 10 for all
sports. Put Lacross in CAA or ECAC. I think we can achieve this
goal with hard work and dedication in next 5/6 years. A10 will
most pribably lose SLU and Richmond to Big East and will be
looking for new members. This scenario will gives us exciting
top class CAA FCS football, excellent multi-bids A10 hoops,
stable lacross CAA/ECAC competition and weak A10 baseball. I
will take that.
#Post#: 6715--------------------------------------------------
Re: Conference Shake Up!
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: May 6, 2013, 9:08 pm
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Why are we even worried about staying in the AE. What's the
problem with that? I don't mind at this point. The CAA sucks. It
had a worst RPI than the AEC this year. The CAA is no longer
what it was two years ago. It has been raided and the leftovers
are not good enough to justify such a move with a $1 million
exit fee in case we want to move out in the future. The only
positive out of the CAA for us would be playing Hofstra which I
would love to see... But is it worth it? hofstra sucks now...
whats the point?
Jim Fiore has to keep us in the AEC and get us to a better place
in the future. CAA lost its Men's Basketball appeal so no reason
to consider that
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