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#Post#: 83--------------------------------------------------
Stony Brook to A10/Big South?
By: jeffjet Date: October 9, 2011, 12:14 am
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Lets not make the same mistake Hofstra made...CAA is not for
SBU...Hofstra lost its identity in the CAA, which was a fball
move...The best move for SBU is A10 for ALL SPORTS and Big South
for Football...Liberty, CCarolina and SBU have a good thing
going...When Albany makes an announcement about supporting 65
scholarships, then Albany should also join the Big South in
football...I also woulod like to see Albany, Bing and Hofstra in
the A10...which would be amazing...The HAB trophy would be
restarted....
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Re: STONY BROOK TO A10/BIG SOUTH?
By: Redwyn Date: October 9, 2011, 1:07 am
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Disagree, and so does nearly every major backer and follower of
Stony Brook and NCAA mid-major athletics.
There is NO merit in an all-sports move for Stony Brook that
does not involve football...PERIOD. If we are to learn anything
from the present climate it is that your major money sport
determines your heading and your affiliation. While our "stated
primary" sport is basketball, our major MONEY sport is football.
Just like the rest of the football backing schools. Fact is, we
are a mid-large public with FOOTBALL. Thus, we must align
ourselves with other mid-large publics with FOOTBALL.
Football attendance, notoriety, and general regional status has
SUFFERED due to our Big South affiliation. This isn't Boston
College to the ACC, where at least people have HEARD of the
schools we play. While Coastal Carolina is often the destination
of choice for rich LI offspring, there is no name recognition of
Presbyterian, Gardner Webb, and the rest. Guess what - the
attendance SHOWS IT.
We belong as an ALL SPORTS MEMBER of the CAA. No other
affiliation makes any sense for us given the current composition
of our athletics program and college athletics as a whole. The
CAA member schools have name recognition here, are similar in
size and academic leanings, and generally reflect well on Stony
Brook as a whole. Hofstra and Northeastern are now ugly
ducklings in the CAA because they don't have football. How would
Stony Brook going into a non-football league remotely prevent us
from being labeled the same?
Fact of the matter is, we belong with Old Dominion, James
Madison, William and Mary, Delaware, and Towson as publics who
support football. Joining us in those moves in a heartbeat would
be Albany, and I can see Charlotte entering as well should the
Big East crumble or those large CAA publics move up as a whole.
Those schools reflect our trajectory, our academic mission, and
our athletic priorities. Temple and U Mass are the only members
of the A-10 who show the same mission, and frankly neither of
them truly belong in that conference. Hell, Temple literally
begs anyone who comes calling to leave! U Mass is probably not
long for the A10 as well. Once Fordham gets its head out of its
ass I see it joining the CAA, as dropping football will never
happen and staying in the Patriot League in football is
ridiculous. Imagine investing millions into a sport you've
essentially been told will never see a playoff appearance
because it isn't allowed to win the conference AQ, and the
conference RPI is so low it'll never be considered for an
at-large. That's Fordham right now. It WILL leave the Patriot,
and I don't see it leaving the Patriot without moving its other
sports as well.
Furthermore, if we were to also look in the domain of "niche"
sports (ala Lax, Ice Hockey, Rowing, etc..), the CAA is QUITE
strong in lacrosse. Far stronger than the America East has been
in recent years. Rivalries be damned (and again I see the
Scoobies coming with us if a change is made), Stony Brook would
benefit from the conference RPI and the immediate rivalries CAA
lacrosse presents. The A-10 has no such benefit. Hell, U Mass is
IN THE CAA for Lacrosse!
End of the story - anyone who tells you that Stony Brook is a
good fit for any conference other than the CAA is joking with
you. It makes sense demographically, academically, athletically,
financially, trajectory-wise, and above all else logically. If
Hofstra persists - awesome, we get a convenient rival. Should
Hofstra re-align with brethren of similar athletic
mission...whatever, we've done fine, we'll continue to do so.
But Jeffjet, for being so acutely privy to so many conversations
with athletics officials as a benefit of your position, surely
you're joking when I know more about what they're thinking than
you do.
PS - Should the America East start pushing to offer football -
either by adding Fordham/Central Conn St./Monmouth/someone and
making a dedicated push to highlight the sport.....now things
begin to get interesting. I see this as the only reason why SBU
won't be wearing the patch of a different conference within the
next 10 years.
#Post#: 87--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook to A10/Big South?
By: ecasadoSBU Date: October 9, 2011, 3:22 am
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Redwyn said it all. There is no way Stony Brook should go into
the A-10 and continue in the Big South. It doesn't make sense.
It would be doing the same thing is doing now and it sucks. If
you going to continue putting your money into football then it
makes sense to join the CAA with other Northeast teams which are
far more popular and successful than the Big South team.
Stony Brook to the CAA. Is our destiny!!!
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Re: Stony Brook to A10/Big South?
By: sbufan Date: October 9, 2011, 2:04 pm
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The guys on the Hofstra message board have been discussing Stony
Brook to the CAA.
HTML http://boards.caazone.com/forumdisplay.php?9-Hofstra-Pride&s=2de3dde9beffd081ee0a7decc523ba23
#Post#: 108--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook to A10/Big South?
By: ecasadoSBU Date: October 9, 2011, 6:29 pm
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I see that the Hofstra fans dedicate a lot of their time to
us... thats awesome... definitely they're worried of losing all
they have gained in L.I... whatever that means..
#Post#: 109--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook to A10/Big South?
By: jeffjet Date: October 9, 2011, 7:17 pm
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I would support a move to the CAA if SBU is in the North
Division with north teams and the hoops tourney in NOT down
south...Redwyn, I was not aware your statement is the official
stance of the SBU athletic dept., since I haven't had
discussions with officials of SBU and the dept. has not made an
official statement about SBU's future...I think football likes
the Big South (easier path to the NCAA's), if basketball is the
#1 sport and the A10 if the CAA doesn't realign with a N/S
division...Ask Hofstra about traveling to Virginia for the hoops
tourney every year.
#Post#: 112--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook to A10/Big South?
By: ecasadoSBU Date: October 9, 2011, 8:05 pm
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The Brooklyn Tournament does sound awesome and would be a great
asset... Not so sure about being in a basketball conference. Is
it possible to join the A-10 with a full membership and the CAA
as football only? has anyone considered?
I mean, the CAA has better basketball and Lacrosse so I dont
know if an A-10 membership can be justified...
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Re: Stony Brook to A10/Big South?
By: Redwyn Date: October 9, 2011, 8:17 pm
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[quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=18.msg112#msg112
date=1318208726]
The Brooklyn Tournament does sound awesome and would be a great
asset... Not so sure about being in a basketball conference. Is
it possible to join the A-10 with a full membership and the CAA
as football only? has anyone considered?
I mean, the CAA has better basketball and Lacrosse so I dont
know if an A-10 membership can be justified...
[/quote]
The CAA has repeatedly spurned "football only" members. It wants
to consolidate its membership and it wouldn't make sense for it
to take single sport members.
And yes, the CAA has outperformed the A10 in many respects as a
Basketball conference, and would be a big upgrade in Lax.
Lots of scenarios.
#Post#: 115--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook to A10/Big South?
By: sbufan Date: October 9, 2011, 8:22 pm
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The VCU and George Mason playoff runs were impressive but I
still think most people consider the A10 the better basketball
conference. I honestly just don't think the A10 would even
consider us.
Stony Brook actually makes sense for the CAA if they are ever
looking to add members.
#Post#: 116--------------------------------------------------
Re: Stony Brook to A10/Big South?
By: Seawolf97 Date: October 9, 2011, 8:28 pm
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The CAA would be our next logical step. Looking at our new
facilities and what I think will be an upgrade in some coaching
staffs we should be very attractive to another conference. The
CAA would fit just fine with football, basket ball and lax.
Hopefully Maine and UNH will sit tight until we get an invite.
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