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#Post#: 46830--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 32 vs Campbell (2nd round of CAA Tournament): 3/7 @ 12:
00PM in Washington, D.C. on FloSports
By: Moveitfred Date: March 7, 2026, 1:44 pm
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Pat on the back for making it close, but another letdown. Tough
to win when you give up 96. Yikes. I didn't watch the game, but
the box score tells the story.
Difficult not to think of this season as yet another big
disappointment the way it ended. Were we really recently
thinking the team had the inside track for a 4 seed with even a
3 or 2 possible? Just a few days later and they’ve looked every
bit a lower half conference team these final four games.
But maybe you take a step back, put things in a broader context,
and as Checkmate said recently perhaps we’re left with a “Eh, I
guess it was an okay season for Stony Brook.”
Without a doubt, the CAA appeared to be a stronger conference
this season, so to go from 4 (in a weaker year) to 9 (in a
stronger year) conference wins is an upgrade.
Thoughts on players:
Pratt: Did not imagine SBU had the capability of landing a
player like Pratt in the current landscape. He had a legit shot
at 30 every time he stepped on the floor. Too bad things ended
the way they did, and I hope the road is a good one for him from
here. It was a fun one season to watch.
Shosh: As much fun to watch, perhaps even more so, than Pratt.
Of course, he had some struggles, but you really saw him develop
with confidence as the season progressed. Just flat out carried
and won some games for SBU as a first-year. Consensus here is
that he’ll go on to bigger money and arenas, and yeah I can’t
imagine that not happening. Curious to see where he might land
and what he might do. How much extra did he earn from his
performance in this game alone?
Brown: A steady backcourt presence all year. A bit up and down
with his scoring, but anchored the defense and handled the ball
well. Overall a solid get and good guy to have in the guard
rotation.
Goods: Well, thank goodness for Goods because without him, for
the bulk of the season, things would have been pretty ugly along
the front line. Very up and down with his performances, and
seemed to fall out of favor and effort near the end for I’m sure
some reason we’ll never know. Again, consensus seems to be he’s
gone, and I hope things work out better for him elsewhere.
Simmon: Intriguing, and clearly developed into a player with
potential. Feels like he could be a solid CAA guard contributor.
I like his size for a guard in the CAA. Hope we see him back.
Gorman/Valentiny/Butler: Fair or not, lumping these guys
together as kind of the same player along the front line. Hope
at least one comes back, ideally two. I’d say in all 3 cases
they need to get bigger to have an impact in the CAA. All play
hard, but always felt like they were giving up an inch and maybe
20 pounds to the competition.
And, of course, O’Connor. Assuming Shosh gone, I would think it
will be his team to lead next season.
More broadly:
Ford and coaches will have some big work to do to somehow climb
into the top half of the CAA next season and beyond. A lot of
points and experience will be gone.
It seems to me Ford is pretty good at landing quality guards,
which is maybe characteristic of mid-majors as a whole, but for
SBU to be better in the CAA I’d say they need a bigger front
line. As Chairman said, get more Goods type players.
Easier said than done, I’m sure. A player 6’7” and above with
size and talent is probably beyond what SBU can realistically
target, maybe beyond the CAA as a whole, let alone getting a
front line of them.
And then, of course and probably most important these days, is
the money. Although I don’t know any numbers, I’m sure
comparatively speaking SBU ain’t got much. Unless that changes,
they probably stay about where they were this season.
#Post#: 46831--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 32 vs Campbell (2nd round of CAA Tournament): 3/7 @ 12:
00PM in Washington, D.C. on FloSports
By: sbu1991 Date: March 7, 2026, 1:45 pm
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=1231.msg46829#msg46829 date=1772912534]
i missed the action (as i was on campus actually). ill admit
they had me believing at a few points during the year. but this
is an epic underacheivement, given the resources, the roster,
the funding, etc.
here we were complaining that campbell U joined the Coastal, and
then we have a first round exit, against campbell U. what a
wakeup call.
it certainly feels like our team may never get over the hump.
ive seldom been this down on my alma mater, but today is one of
those days.
[/quote]
It's hard to see it happening under Geno. Shosh gone for sure.
#Post#: 46833--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 32 vs Campbell (2nd round of CAA Tournament): 3/7 @ 12:
00PM in Washington, D.C. on FloSports
By: ecasadoSBU Date: March 7, 2026, 1:51 pm
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=1231.msg46829#msg46829 date=1772912534]
i missed the action (as i was on campus actually). ill admit
they had me believing at a few points during the year. but this
is an epic underacheivement, given the resources, the roster,
the funding, etc.
here we were complaining that campbell U joined the Coastal, and
then we have a first round exit, against campbell U. what a
wakeup call.
it certainly feels like our team may never get over the hump.
ive seldom been this down on my alma mater, but today is one of
those days.
[/quote]
Yeap.I feel the same way bud. Year after year we boast how Stony
Brook has so much potential as an institution only to get
crushed by upstart programs and to be left behind by others
programs we had a head-start on.
#Post#: 46834--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 32 vs Campbell (2nd round of CAA Tournament): 3/7 @ 12:
00PM in Washington, D.C. on FloSports
By: sbu1991 Date: March 7, 2026, 1:52 pm
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[quote author=Moveitfred link=topic=1231.msg46830#msg46830
date=1772912673]
Pat on the back for making it close, but another letdown. Tough
to win when you give up 96. Yikes. I didn't watch the game, but
the box score tells the story.
Difficult not to think of this season as yet another big
disappointment the way it ended. Were we really recently
thinking the team had the inside track for a 4 seed with even a
3 or 2 possible? Just a few days later and they’ve looked every
bit a lower half conference team these final four games.
But maybe you take a step back, put things in a broader context,
and as Checkmate said recently perhaps we’re left with a “Eh, I
guess it was an okay season for Stony Brook.”
Without a doubt, the CAA appeared to be a stronger conference
this season, so to go from 4 (in a weaker year) to 9 (in a
stronger year) conference wins is an upgrade.
Thoughts on players:
Pratt: Did not imagine SBU had the capability of landing a
player like Pratt in the current landscape. He had a legit shot
at 30 every time he stepped on the floor. Too bad things ended
the way they did, and I hope the road is a good one for him from
here. It was a fun one season to watch.
Shosh: As much fun to watch, perhaps even more so, than Pratt.
Of course, he had some struggles, but you really saw him develop
with confidence as the season progressed. Just flat out carried
and won some games for SBU as a first-year. Consensus here is
that he’ll go on to bigger money and arenas, and yeah I can’t
imagine that not happening. Curious to see where he might land
and what he might do. How much extra did he earn from his
performance in this game alone?
Brown: A steady backcourt presence all year. A bit up and down
with his scoring, but anchored the defense and handled the ball
well. Overall a solid get and good guy to have in the guard
rotation.
Goods: Well, thank goodness for Goods because without him, for
the bulk of the season, things would have been pretty ugly along
the front line. Very up and down with his performances, and
seemed to fall out of favor and effort near the end for I’m sure
some reason we’ll never know. Again, consensus seems to be he’s
gone, and I hope things work out better for him elsewhere.
Simmon: Intriguing, and clearly developed into a player with
potential. Feels like he could be a solid CAA guard contributor.
I like his size for a guard in the CAA. Hope we see him back.
Gorman/Valentiny/Butler: Fair or not, lumping these guys
together as kind of the same player along the front line. Hope
at least one comes back, ideally two. I’d say in all 3 cases
they need to get bigger to have an impact in the CAA. All play
hard, but always felt like they were giving up an inch and maybe
20 pounds to the competition.
And, of course, O’Connor. Assuming Shosh gone, I would think it
will be his team to lead next season.
More broadly:
Ford and coaches will have some big work to do to somehow climb
into the top half of the CAA next season and beyond. A lot of
points and experience will be gone.
It seems to me Ford is pretty good at landing quality guards,
which is maybe characteristic of mid-majors as a whole, but for
SBU to be better in the CAA I’d say they need a bigger front
line. As Chairman said, get more Goods type players.
Easier said than done, I’m sure. A player 6’7” and above with
size and talent is probably beyond what SBU can realistically
target, maybe beyond the CAA as a whole, let alone getting a
front line of them.
And then, of course and probably most important these days, is
the money. Although I don’t know any numbers, I’m sure
comparatively speaking SBU ain’t got much. Unless that changes,
they probably stay about where they were this season.
[/quote]
Nice breakdown. With Shosh gone, O'Connor is the only returning
player you'd feel good against the top CAA teams.
#Post#: 46836--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 32 vs Campbell (2nd round of CAA Tournament): 3/7 @ 12:
00PM in Washington, D.C. on FloSports
By: Chairman of the Board Date: March 7, 2026, 10:56 pm
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one more thought. i think the reason im so deflated is that
this season- for arguably the first or second time ever- we've
been a competitive three point shooting team*. shot selection
was better, ball movement, rebounding, and if taken in the right
situation, the % increases. which it did. we also had quite a
few options. (*maybe 2 years ago we shot ok from deep)
and so the reason im even more disappointed is because we
finally fix this longstanding issue, and the result is... the
same. complete and premature collapse.
#Post#: 46839--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 32 vs Campbell (2nd round of CAA Tournament): 3/7 @ 12:
00PM in Washington, D.C. on FloSports
By: Checkmate Date: March 8, 2026, 11:21 am
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=1231.msg46836#msg46836 date=1772945784]
one more thought. i think the reason im so deflated is that
this season- for arguably the first or second time ever- we've
been a competitive three point shooting team*. shot selection
was better, ball movement, rebounding, and if taken in the right
situation, the % increases. which it did. we also had quite a
few options. (*maybe 2 years ago we shot ok from deep)
and so the reason im even more disappointed is because we
finally fix this longstanding issue, and the result is... the
same. complete and premature collapse.
[/quote]
I have to think that this was a combination of having the
personnel and of Hipsher being on the bench. There was a seismic
change in our offense this year, which coincided with his
arrival. Things just flowed better. We looked way more competent
than we have in at least the last decade.
It’s interesting for Goods to go into the portal (presumably)
coming off a zero point, zero shot game. And he was invisible
during this four game losing streak – 3.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg. And as
our only real big guy, that’s tough to overcome.
#Post#: 46842--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 32 vs Campbell (2nd round of CAA Tournament): 3/7 @ 12:
00PM in Washington, D.C. on FloSports
By: Moveitfred Date: March 8, 2026, 12:27 pm
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If told ahead of time, guess what...Shosh, Pratt, and Brown
combined will have a monster game and SBU will pin 89 on the
scoreboard we'd probably all sign up for that and think, great,
on to the next round.
But then if told...however SBU will get nothing from anyone
else, we'd probably wonder, Uh oh, what do you mean by
"nothing"...
You're right Chairman in pointing out a huge improvement in most
of the areas you mention. However the team had what turned out
to be a fatal flaw--little along the front line, and the best
guy in that position sort of checked out for the final few
games.
As weak as the team was last year I'd argue that SBU's front
line was no better this year, and perhaps worse in the end. Last
year they had a pretty consistent Wight and Snoddy, who both
seemed to play a bit beyond their size. This year, Goods and a
few other guys chipped in without consistency. Compare rebound
stats from last year to this year and the picture is about the
same. And, again, when you then have Goods step away there was
an especially big problem.
I'd say Campbell was just simply a better and more well-rounded
team. And PS, as I'm about to hit "post" I see Campbell up by
one over UNCW early in the second half.
Finally, is the university interested in taking SERIOUS steps to
make SBU men's basketball better? 30+ years now watching the
program and I can't say I've seen any strong evidence to suggest
this.
Update: and with the Camels dispatching UNCW with another
offensive blast, I'll admit to thinking a little differently
about the SBU loss now. Maybe SBU was Campbell two years ago,
and that's about the best we can expect.
#Post#: 46843--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 32 vs Campbell (2nd round of CAA Tournament): 3/7 @ 12:
00PM in Washington, D.C. on FloSports
By: Accelerator Date: March 8, 2026, 1:27 pm
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Campbell destroys UNCW 85-70. Like we all knew, they were
vulnerable and it could have been us. That makes it feel even
worse, frankly. I will agree to admitting that I didn't want to
associate with Campbell in our conference when they joined
either.
#Post#: 46844--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 32 vs Campbell (2nd round of CAA Tournament): 3/7 @ 12:
00PM in Washington, D.C. on FloSports
By: ry1nik Date: March 8, 2026, 1:51 pm
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You can do all the analysis you want but it comes down to the
realization that the men’s basketball program has reached the
upper limit of its potential under Geno. Only a coaching change
will change the outcome going forward.
#Post#: 46845--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 32 vs Campbell (2nd round of CAA Tournament): 3/7 @ 12:
00PM in Washington, D.C. on FloSports
By: sbu1991 Date: March 8, 2026, 3:46 pm
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[quote author=ry1nik link=topic=1231.msg46844#msg46844
date=1772995901]
You can do all the analysis you want but it comes down to the
realization that the men’s basketball program has reached the
upper limit of its potential under Geno. Only a coaching change
will change the outcome going forward.
[/quote]
Geno needs to go, but considering that SB was projected to
finish 11th in the CAA and they managed to finish 8th, he and
the AD are probably taking victory laps.
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