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Re: Villanova is leaving CAA and rumors that Elon will be going
out to
By: Chairman of the Board Date: June 8, 2025, 8:22 pm
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these are the same thoughts i have.
my only question is- what really changed the other day? the
NCAA now allows schools to pay athletes.
they were already doing that in the sense that it was merely
rerouted from the boosters through a collective for
"advertising" purposes (wink wink). now the money will go from
the boosters to the admin and then the student athletes.
am i reading this all wrong? oversimplifying?
#Post#: 45727--------------------------------------------------
Re: Villanova is leaving CAA and rumors that Elon will be going
out to
By: ry1nik Date: June 9, 2025, 5:39 am
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[quote author=Redwyn link=topic=1172.msg45725#msg45725
date=1749425467]
There is nothing to see here. This was inevitable. Villanova is
a resource limited, small school[/quote]
Villanova’s endowment is over $1 billion so not resource
limited.
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Re: Villanova is leaving CAA and rumors that Elon will be going
out to
By: Redwyn Date: June 9, 2025, 7:08 am
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[quote author=ry1nik link=topic=1172.msg45727#msg45727
date=1749465586]
[quote author=Redwyn link=topic=1172.msg45725#msg45725
date=1749425467]
There is nothing to see here. This was inevitable. Villanova is
a resource limited, small school[/quote]
Villanova’s endowment is over $1 billion so not resource
limited.
[/quote]
But it is, if you believe that the decision is between going
"big time" in football or finding a place to park your team that
is still D1 but plays on a different set of rules (see U Conn's
program if you want an example of what it looks like to languish
in the middle).
Georgetown (fellow Big East member) who is also in PL football
has an endowment of 3.6 bil
Lafayette (PL all sports) has an endowment of 1.1 bil. Lehigh's
is 2.2 bil.
In contrast, Ohio State's endowment is 7.9 bil
If Villanova wants to be able to funnel all the money it can
into basketball, its true money sport, it needs to make sure
football will cost as little as possible.
Another big indicator for me is enrollment. Villanova's is 10K.
W&M is 9K. Richmond is 3700. Even Albany (not sure about trying
to keep up) is 17K. That may not be enough.
In contrast, Delaware (moved up) is 24K. James Madison 22K.
Stony Brook (probably moving up into whatever tier 2 is) is 26K.
Buffalo is 32K. That's a huge difference in athletic support
fees.
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Re: Villanova is leaving CAA and rumors that Elon will be going
out to
By: Chairman of the Board Date: June 9, 2025, 9:26 am
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also- does the school, or the conference opt in? both?
if the conference, how does it work where athletic depts are
split between two conferences? perhaps the rules then apply to
which team is in which conference.
note- the CAA "committed" to the opt in. but i havent heard
that the CAA- nor SBU- has actually opted in.
HTML https://caasports.com/news/2025/1/29/general-caa-board-of-directors-commits-to-opt-into-house-settlement.aspx
clear as mud.
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Re: Villanova is leaving CAA and rumors that Elon will be going
out to
By: iBOsbu Date: June 9, 2025, 10:11 am
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I hope some of the directional schools in the MAC that are known
to be struggling financially and can't keep up with NIL demands
eventually opt out of the FBS. That could open the door for the
conference to look east for replacements—programs like Stony
Brook, Towson, and others.
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Re: Villanova is leaving CAA and rumors that Elon will be going
out to
By: Redwyn Date: June 9, 2025, 8:21 pm
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=1172.msg45729#msg45729 date=1749479215]
also- does the school, or the conference opt in? both?
if the conference, how does it work where athletic depts are
split between two conferences? perhaps the rules then apply to
which team is in which conference.
note- the CAA "committed" to the opt in. but i havent heard
that the CAA- nor SBU- has actually opted in.
HTML https://caasports.com/news/2025/1/29/general-caa-board-of-directors-commits-to-opt-into-house-settlement.aspx
clear as mud.
[/quote]
Stony Brook has opted in. Heilbron said that we were opting in,
as was the entire CAA conference.
HTML https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2025/4/3/together-we-transform-blog-together-we-transform-thursday-april-3-2025.aspx
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Re: Villanova is leaving CAA and rumors that Elon will be going
out to
By: Campi47 Date: June 9, 2025, 9:53 pm
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I heard differently that at least Albany hasn't bought in and
may want to return to the NEC
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Re: Villanova is leaving CAA and rumors that Elon will be going
out to
By: Chairman of the Board Date: June 10, 2025, 8:34 am
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thanks red!
i still think there's almost nothing new here- just the lipstick
is off the pig.
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Re: Villanova is leaving CAA and rumors that Elon will be going
out to
By: ecasadoSBU Date: June 10, 2025, 1:03 pm
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[quote author=Redwyn link=topic=1172.msg45732#msg45732
date=1749518493]
[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=1172.msg45729#msg45729 date=1749479215]
also- does the school, or the conference opt in? both?
if the conference, how does it work where athletic depts are
split between two conferences? perhaps the rules then apply to
which team is in which conference.
note- the CAA "committed" to the opt in. but i havent heard
that the CAA- nor SBU- has actually opted in.
HTML https://caasports.com/news/2025/1/29/general-caa-board-of-directors-commits-to-opt-into-house-settlement.aspx
clear as mud.
[/quote]
Stony Brook has opted in. Heilbron said that we were opting in,
as was the entire CAA conference.
HTML https://stonybrookathletics.com/news/2025/4/3/together-we-transform-blog-together-we-transform-thursday-april-3-2025.aspx
[/quote]
This is good and what I expect from our University.
Like I said before - there is no reason why the flagship public
university of NY, that is growing and thriving, should opt-out
of revenue sharing settlement and head to DIII. We are 26k
strong in student-body. That's a fairly large university by any
metric which allows us to benefit from the economies of scale
(splitting costs among more students).
Stony Brook should stick around in D1, continue to grow slowly
and take a wait-and-see approach on how the dominoes fall. I get
the sense that a lot of smaller, non-flagship directional state
schools and private schools will not able to fund this kind of
model and will fall out.
Then you will have a streamlined, leaner Division I (the rest of
us) + P4
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Re: Villanova is leaving CAA and rumors that Elon will be going
out to
By: iBOsbu Date: June 11, 2025, 4:36 pm
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List of Opt-ins and opt-outs are going to give us first clear
indication of where most programs are going.
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