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Re: Game 19: at Towson, 1/18 2pm
By: guest441 Date: January 18, 2025, 4:25 pm
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Nick Macarchuk I mean Geno ford is 82-92 at SB.
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Re: Game 19: at Towson, 1/18 2pm
By: guest441 Date: January 18, 2025, 4:28 pm
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Priore and ford got over so bad on Heilbron. he is so bad at his
job he will probably never leave her to be an ad somewhere else
so sb is stuck with him. it looks like him and ford are playing
the state and the fans for there paycheck.
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Re: Game 19: at Towson, 1/18 2pm
By: guest441 Date: January 18, 2025, 6:31 pm
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[quote author=NJ Seawolf link=topic=1150.msg45015#msg45015
date=1737236660]
This is Priore like futility- haven’t seen a record like this
since the mid-2000s when the team barely could draw in the early
Pikiell years when he was rebuilding.
Like the successful football reboot it’s time for change in the
hoops program. I’ve never been a Ford fan personally but his
weaknesses are even more obvious in this transfer portal era
where coaching is even more valuable.
[/quote]
Early 2000's close to 2002 and maybe 2003.
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Re: Game 19: at Towson, 1/18 2pm
By: Checkmate Date: January 18, 2025, 10:42 pm
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I mean, if March is decision day on the coach, we know which way
we’re going, right?
Iiiii knooooww, I said at halftime that we’d played well. The
foundation of that was our effort defensively – it was really
good! And to be fair, effort has been consistent throughout the
Geno era. But what’s also been consistent and I would say even
more obvious is how stagnant our offense has been. Over the last
five years, we might lead America in contested shot attempts,
gridlock and lack of imagination, movement and playmaking. This
is going back to day one with rare exception. The difference is
that this is the first year where there’s a real dearth of
talent – undoubtedly NIL driven at least to some degree, which I
get – but you mix that with said stagnancy and it is BAD. Under
Geno, when we need a bucket, late in the game, out of a timeout,
and too often the plan is … what exactly?
Previous rosters have clawed their way to wins and that’s added
up to 18 or 20 at the end of the year. Sometimes the personnel
makes up for the coaching, or vice versa, or they’re both
positives for us. Right now it’s neither.
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Re: Game 19: at Towson, 1/18 2pm
By: guest441 Date: January 18, 2025, 10:49 pm
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There is no decision day in March because he was probably
extended and sb never tells you that. hes here for a long time.
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Re: Game 19: at Towson, 1/18 2pm
By: Accelerator Date: January 18, 2025, 11:00 pm
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It's becoming clearer that the miracle run last year was because
Geno had a trio of 5th-year guards who were all super effective
on the iso and creating their own shots; they didn't need Geno
to draw stuff up for them. Now that we don't have them anymore,
you see what the result is.
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Re: Game 19: at Towson, 1/18 2pm
By: Checkmate Date: January 19, 2025, 8:44 am
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[quote author=factorykitten link=topic=1150.msg45022#msg45022
date=1737262140]
There is no decision day in March because he was probably
extended and sb never tells you that. hes here for a long time.
[/quote]
I disagree. Who gets/gives two-year contract extensions? Is
there a less enthusiastic vote of confidence?
They’ve been done, but usually it’s tacking two years on the
back end of an already long-term deal. So-and-so gets a two-year
extension through 2030. This is through 2026 – next season – and
they can start negotiating an extension – or not – at the end of
this season.
Heilbron’s quote from a couple years ago:
“I really want Geno to be successful because I think he’s a
really good coach. But we’ve got to have success. We have to be
good in basketball, and I’ll leave it at that.”
That, to me, says that Geno’s on a short leash. I give Heilbron
credit for biting the bullet with Priore. And, short of a
playoff run, could that have gone better than it did? National
coach of the year, exciting offense, reputation restored, and we
managed to keep him around. Most importantly, it showed that,
with the portal, with the right guy in charge, the whole thing
can change in a flash. Now, I’m not sure what to do with the
students. That’s a tough one. Or NIL – also tough. But we can
reverse course here. And I think we will.
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Re: Game 19: at Towson, 1/18 2pm
By: OldSeawolf Date: January 19, 2025, 9:22 am
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Coming off an almost-tournament berth season, I would have
expected Geno to be able to recruit much better than he did. I
know NIL $ is a big issue, but relying on 2 JC kids (one of
which has done well, and will be off and packing to greener
pastures next year) and a kid who was recruited by AZ St and
doesn't play, was not a successful recruiting year for Geno.
Did he think Fitz would never get serious NIL $ elsewhere, and
hence, recruited small? Octave has been hit or miss all season,
and is probably over-priced as the leading NIL recipient this
year. Did Geno think we had enough PG depth with Toby/O'Connor?
This team fights hard, but has a discombobulated offense, and
has no one on the roster that can/wants to take the big shot in
a game. Hence, our late game collapses. Geno could add value
there by instilling confidence, but it hasn't happened to date.
Contract and union rules aside, not sure how you can't make a
change here.
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Re: Game 19: at Towson, 1/18 2pm
By: Chairman of the Board Date: January 19, 2025, 9:48 am
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[quote author=Accelerator link=topic=1150.msg45023#msg45023
date=1737262851]
It's becoming clearer that the miracle run last year was because
Geno had a trio of 5th-year guards who were all super effective
on the iso and creating their own shots; they didn't need Geno
to draw stuff up for them. Now that we don't have them anymore,
you see what the result is.
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this is what i saw. pure talent carrying the day when the game
was on the line.
(though you know me- i argue our bigs were the difference!) ;D
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Re: Game 19: at Towson, 1/18 2pm
By: EastCoastMD Date: January 19, 2025, 10:05 am
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Unfortunately, Cosh is not a long term answer. If he repeats
another successful year like this one, he's gone. He even
admitted at one of his acceptance speeches for coach of the year
that "most people told me not to take the Stony Brook job" which
I found shocking.
On paper, this university should have everything necessary to
have a successful athletics program. High endowment, large
student body enrollment, good rankings and international
recognition, and very little competition locally or regionally
(except maybe Rutgers and St John's),
etc.
But, the apathy around our sports on campus is shocking. The
student attendance at these games is atrocious. Stony Brook was
always a "commuter" school, but the apathy is at all time high.
The students are not engaged at all. I think more students go to
my local high school game than a stony brook game.
This was not the case when I was there 2006-2010. It's only
gotten worse and Helibron is mostly to blame. Pray that we get a
new President of the university that sees the potential and
invests heavily in it. Otherwise, I have no clue why we jumped
into the CAA. Either we are all in, or we are all out.
Otherwise, this is just a waste of time and money. There's a
reason why another sponsor hasn't taken over for Island Federal
Bank for the naming rights of the basketball arena either.
Geno is not a good coach. I think that's obvious at this point
and time. He had a great run last year with some 5th year young
men that were ballers and could create their own shot. He is
completely incapable of competiting in today's changed college
landscape.
Do we even have a "general manager" of NIL like most other
schools do? A coach can't possible manage on their own. I like
Geno personally, and he seems like a straight shooter and honest
guy. But the results have been a total disaster this year.
Unless we devote ourselves to a total change in culture, it's
going to be more of the same. In today's sports landscape, you
can't be on a budget. Stony Brook is trying to have it both ways
and the results are terrible. You need to either be ALL IN or
ALL OUT. Otherwise we are wasting money that can be better spent
elsewhere, and thats a shame because I am still a huge fan.
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