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       #Post#: 44920--------------------------------------------------
       Game 14: at Monmouth, 1/2 7pm
       By: Checkmate Date: January 1, 2025, 8:49 am
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       MONMOUTH (2-11, 0-0 CAA)
       Last Game: Auburn 87, Monmouth 58 on 12/30/24
       Last Game vs SBU: Monmouth 84, Stony Brook 61 on 2/17/24;
       Monmouth 24-6 run to start 2nd half; SBU 4-22 from three
       Checkmate Guess the Line: Monmouth -5.5
       NET Ranking: Stony Brook 321, Monmouth 278
       KenPom Rating: Stony Brook 316, Monmouth 274
       KenPom Prediction: Monmouth 76, Stony Brook 71
       Olaniyi GoFundMe:
  HTML https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-elijah-with-medical-bills-and-therapy
       Watch: SNY or
  HTML https://go.flosports.tv/partner/caa?utm_campaign=caa&utm_medium=partner&utm_source=teams&utm_content=teams&rtid=monmouth&coverage_id=
       Listen: None
       Notables:
       6-7/160 so G Abdi Bashir Jr. 21.1 ppg, .427 FG%, .933 FT%
       6-5/195 jr G Madison Durr 10.4 ppg, 3.5 apg, 1.4 spg, .776 FT%
       6-9/190 rso F Jaret Valencia 9.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.2 bpg, .500 FG%
       6-5/205 jr G Jack Collins 8.8 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 1.3 spg
       6-7/225 so F Cornelius Robinson III 4.7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.0 spg
       All right, everybody, a new year, we're 0-0 where it matters,
       and have a chance to get off on the right foot here.
       Not surprisingly, Monmouth's taken a step back without Xander
       Rice, who's now averaging 19 a night in Greece, but this kid
       Bashir has really come on as a sophomore. Last year, I remember
       him being mostly a guy they stuck on the perimeter, but this
       year, without Rice, the ball's in his hands more and he's going
       to work off the bounce more. His shooting hasn't waned either.
       Put it all together and he's had some gaudy nights – 38, thanks
       in part to 10 threes, against Rutgers; 28 in a win over Seton
       Hall; 27 in beating Fairfield. It's not an exaggeration to say
       that we may not face a better scorer all year. For the league's
       sake, I hope he stays all four years, but that's almost
       impossible to fathom considering the attention he'll likely get.
       The NIL landscape makes these coaches' lives incredibly
       difficult. Jim Larranaga was the latest to cite the damper it
       puts on programs when he stepped down last week. What's crazy is
       that players don't even have to remotely dislike the school
       they're at; they just have to be offered more money elsewhere.
       You, me, anybody with a job, who can't relate? But it makes
       everyone's job impossible, so I do feel for Geno and the staff.
       I can't imagine it ever not being a revolving door with the
       situation being what it is now. Can you say for sure who will
       and won't be here next year? And imagine not knowing, trying to
       plan for the future, with your livelihood on the line? Brutal.
       The players have all the power.
       That said, Geno’s seat should feel warm, if not hot. I think
       most people can see through last year's run to the CAA title
       game as being a great week that followed an ordinary year. This
       year, of course, has been a struggle, and after being able to
       point to a few games on the schedule that felt like a layup, now
       it looks like we're the layup. This might not be a bad year; it
       might be a BAD year. Right now, we're at or near the bottom of
       CAA stats in literally everything except a couple miscellaneous
       categories – we're #4! in free throw percentage! Perhaps most
       damning of all is attendance, in which we sit 11th at a meager
       1600+ fans a night. I realize that students have been away, but
       I'm not sure how much that matters here. Taking a step back, if
       Heilbron has to make a decision on Geno this year, is he really
       going to sign up for more of this, or will he decide to pivot
       and Geno's potentially bought out as a lame duck coach, for I
       think about $365K? I really think we need Pitino Ultra Lite –
       somebody with some degree of name recognition who can energize
       the community and program.
       I do give King Rice (who’s suspended for this game after
       criticizing officials) credit for keeping the band together – I
       thought that Valencia might have been plucked as an athletic
       high energy kid who could some off the bench for somebody at a
       high D-I, if not start. But nope, he stayed. This is a good
       nucleus of guys who, after facing the 56th toughest OOC
       schedule, is due for better results in conference. I like their
       bench too – Ball can play, you have 7-1/195 Dok Muordar pitching
       in (3 blocks in 11 minutes against Auburn on Monday), Demings
       was an All-WAC freshman at Utah Tech last year, and Justin Ray
       looks like a guy who can knock down shots. He's been a blessing
       with Collins having a horrific shooting year – .297/.238/.763.
       With the bench, you're just looking for guys who can play a role
       – a short-term secondary or tertiary scorer, good on-the-ball
       defense, a presence inside, ballhandling, energy, whatever. We
       still looking for some of that. The 278-184 bench points margin
       so far is staggering. Woodard and Philip aren't meeting
       expectations, and Nahar and Nyarko are nearly invisible. If TO
       returns from his surgery – maybe wishful thinking, I really
       don't know – that would give our lineup a little more length,
       ballhandling and ability to create.
       Off-the-cuff post OOC report card:
       Wight B+
       Snoddy B
       O'Connor B-
       Luster C+
       Frey C+
       Octave C
       Philip D
       Woodard D
       Is it too harsh to grade college kids? I dunno. I went with it.
       For the positives, Wight has been just about everything we could
       have hoped for, Snoddy's our Josh Hart, and while O'Connor
       hasn't been this wunderkind but he's been admirable as just a
       freshman in the starting PG role. I had Octave higher, but the
       inefficiency offensively is tough to defend.
       Season assist totals:
       2024-25: Opponents 220, Stony Brook 152
       2023-24: Opponents 518, Stony Brook 424
       2022-23: Opponents 522, Stony Brook 499
       2021-22: Opponents 436, Stony Brook 347
       2020-21: Opponents 290, Stony Brook 276
       2019-20: Opponents 438, Stony Brook 368
       Under Geno: Opponents 2424, Stony Brook 2066. Over 168 games,
       this is only a difference of two or three assists per game, but
       to have such a significant deficit in three seasons and likely a
       fourth once we're done here, I think, reinforces what we've been
       saying for a while about our offense being stagnant.
       Of the road games on the schedule, this is among the more
       winnable, which isn't to say I love our odds. But it would be
       great to get off to a good start with three home games next. Can
       we get to 2-2?
       #Post#: 44921--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Game 14: at Monmouth, 1/2 7pm
       By: Chairman of the Board Date: January 1, 2025, 12:19 pm
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       great commentary!
       share the ball.  its obvious.
       was going to attend but im triple booked.  GO SB
       #Post#: 44923--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Game 14: at Monmouth, 1/2 7pm
       By: OldSeawolf Date: January 2, 2025, 8:13 am
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       Great analysis, Checkmate.  I would think that this is one of
       the few games we have a chance to win in CAA play this year.  As
       we're vertically challenged this year (among many deficiencies),
       it is a wonder why Nahar and Nyarko aren't being given a
       legitimate shot to contribute.   Also, this is the first I heard
       about Toby needing surgery, so given that, I'm assuming he's
       definitely done for the year.
       #Post#: 44924--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Game 14: at Monmouth, 1/2 7pm
       By: Checkmate Date: January 2, 2025, 9:15 am
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       [quote author=OldSeawolf link=topic=1143.msg44923#msg44923
       date=1735827197]
       Great analysis, Checkmate.  I would think that this is one of
       the few games we have a chance to win in CAA play this year.  As
       we're vertically challenged this year (among many deficiencies),
       it is a wonder why Nahar and Nyarko aren't being given a
       legitimate shot to contribute.   Also, this is the first I heard
       about Toby needing surgery, so given that, I'm assuming he's
       definitely done for the year.
       [/quote]
       I believe TO had surgery before the season. No idea how big of a
       procedure it was.
       #Post#: 44926--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Game 14: at Monmouth, 1/2 7pm
       By: Checkmate Date: January 2, 2025, 2:42 pm
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       Perhaps a display of the general malaise around this program
       and/or college basketball ...
       OOC replies/views on this board ...
       2015-16: 91/6624 (13 games) – AE title year
       2016-17: 183/8210 (13) – Boals arrives
       2017-18: 399/19302 (14)
       2018-19: 634/18844 (15) – Boals' last year
       2019-20: 315/16830 (15) – Geno arrives
       2020-21: Did not count
       2021-22: 360/12589 (13)
       2022-23: 319/9015 (13)
       2023-24: 343/8929 (13)
       2024-25: 163/4231 (13)
       I added the earlier years after doing the most recent five. I
       had thought we were higher than that during the Warney years,
       but now I'm thinking we got a big bump from the success of the
       2016 team and the excitement has slowly dissipated. I dunno. I
       was curious so I did some digging.
       #Post#: 44927--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Game 14: at Monmouth, 1/2 7pm
       By: sbupatriots Date: January 2, 2025, 3:56 pm
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       [quote author=Checkmate link=topic=1143.msg44926#msg44926
       date=1735850562]
       Perhaps a display of the general malaise around this program
       and/or college basketball ...
       OOC replies/views on this board ...
       2015-16: 91/6624 (13 games) – AE title year
       2016-17: 183/8210 (13) – Boals arrives
       2017-18: 399/19302 (14)
       2018-19: 634/18844 (15) – Boals' last year
       2019-20: 315/16830 (15) – Geno arrives
       2020-21: Did not count
       2021-22: 360/12589 (13)
       2022-23: 319/9015 (13)
       2023-24: 343/8929 (13)
       2024-25: 163/4231 (13)
       I added the earlier years after doing the most recent five. I
       had thought we were higher than that during the Warney years,
       but now I'm thinking we got a big bump from the success of the
       2016 team and the excitement has slowly dissipated. I dunno. I
       was curious so I did some digging.
       [/quote]
       I still view everything on the board but haven't felt the need
       to add much to the conversation lately. Unfortunately, it seems
       like we've been in the "hope things turn around come conference
       play" mode for about a month now. I still think there's a world
       where the JUCO/freshman guys get their D1 legs under them by
       February and Octave/Wight have a little less burden on them as a
       result. Think TSM 2 years ago vs last year when the team was
       healthy and he wasn't the only option. Octaves FG% could go up
       if the other shooters start getting comfortable consistently.
       Maybe Charleston gets there but no top-100 team in the
       conference this year so there's always a chance.
       #Post#: 44928--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Game 14: at Monmouth, 1/2 7pm
       By: OldSeawolf Date: January 2, 2025, 5:54 pm
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       [quote author=Checkmate link=topic=1143.msg44926#msg44926
       date=1735850562]
       Perhaps a display of the general malaise around this program
       and/or college basketball ...
       OOC replies/views on this board ...
       2015-16: 91/6624 (13 games) – AE title year
       2016-17: 183/8210 (13) – Boals arrives
       2017-18: 399/19302 (14)
       2018-19: 634/18844 (15) – Boals' last year
       2019-20: 315/16830 (15) – Geno arrives
       2020-21: Did not count
       2021-22: 360/12589 (13)
       2022-23: 319/9015 (13)
       2023-24: 343/8929 (13)
       2024-25: 163/4231 (13)
       I added the earlier years after doing the most recent five. I
       had thought we were higher than that during the Warney years,
       but now I'm thinking we got a big bump from the success of the
       2016 team and the excitement has slowly dissipated. I dunno. I
       was curious so I did some digging.
       [/quote]
       I think it’s largely a function of the state of mid/major
       athletics, NIL, and the portal. Hard for a mid-major to recruit
       and retain quality players given the current landscape. This
       results in fan base malaise for the have-nots. To a smaller
       extent, living in the world of Twitter/X, fans like the
       immediacy of that platform versus a less dynamic forum
       mechanism. Your posts are the main reason for keeping this
       medium alive.
       #Post#: 44929--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Game 14: at Monmouth, 1/2 7pm
       By: sbu1991 Date: January 2, 2025, 6:49 pm
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       FloSports 29.99 a month?!?
       #Post#: 44930--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Game 14: at Monmouth, 1/2 7pm
       By: Chairman of the Board Date: January 2, 2025, 6:53 pm
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       id argue flo isnt a deal at $6/month.
       however, i'd pay checkmate $30 a month for his thoughts.
       #Post#: 44931--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Game 14: at Monmouth, 1/2 7pm
       By: OldSeawolf Date: January 2, 2025, 6:53 pm
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       [quote author=sbu1991 link=topic=1143.msg44929#msg44929
       date=1735865389]
       FloSports 29.99 a month?!?
       [/quote]
       No, go through SBU or CAA link….its $20
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