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RE: NCAA Settlement. Pay for Play
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: May 25, 2024, 8:58 am
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The N.C.A.A.’s Landmark Athlete-Pay Settlement, Explained
HTML https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/24/us/ncaa-settlement-college-athletes-payments.html
NCAA, Power 5 agree to deal that will let schools pay players:
HTML https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/40206364/ncaa-power-conferences-agree-allow-schools-pay-players
NCAA settlement a historic day for paying college athletes. What
comes next?
HTML https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/40206469/ncaa-settlement-pay-college-players-analysis
#Post#: 43844--------------------------------------------------
Re: RE: NCAA Settlement. Pay for Play
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: May 25, 2024, 8:59 am
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My real concern is what does this NCAA settlement and the future
pay for play model mean for our middle-of-the-pack schools like
Stony Brook?
So much going on. Feels like College sports as we know it is
DEAD!
#Post#: 43845--------------------------------------------------
Re: RE: NCAA Settlement. Pay for Play
DIR By: ry1nik
Date: May 25, 2024, 1:11 pm
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--- Quote from: ecasadoSBU link ---
>
> My real concern is what does this NCAA settlement and the
future pay for play model mean for our middle-of-the-pack
schools like Stony Brook?
>
> So much going on. Feels like College sports as we know it is
DEAD!
>
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Athletes at schools like SB who develop into P5 level talent,
even if only as a possible backup at the higher level, will bail
as soon as they can to get a piece of the salary pie. There will
be a steady outflow of talent and the gap between the haves and
have-nots grows even bigger. I think it becomes a losing battle
and some schools will decide to cut their losses and drop back
down to D2 or D3, or cut expensive sports like football
altogether. Schools like SB might get a greater return by
investing money away from athletics into academics and student
life programs. The writing is on the wall.
#Post#: 43846--------------------------------------------------
Re: RE: NCAA Settlement. Pay for Play
DIR By: OldSeawolf
Date: May 26, 2024, 5:28 am
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--- Quote from: ry1nik link ---
>
> [quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=1107.msg43844#msg43844
date=1716645556]
> My real concern is what does this NCAA settlement and the
future pay for play model mean for our middle-of-the-pack
schools like Stony Brook?
>
> So much going on. Feels like College sports as we know it is
DEAD!
>
--- End Quote ---
Athletes at schools like SB who develop into P5 level talent,
even if only as a possible backup at the higher level, will bail
as soon as they can to get a piece of the salary pie. There will
be a steady outflow of talent and the gap between the haves and
have-nots grows even bigger. I think it becomes a losing battle
and some schools will decide to cut their losses and drop back
down to D2 or D3, or cut expensive sports like football
altogether. Schools like SB might get a greater return by
investing money away from athletics into academics and student
life programs. The writing is on the wall.
[/quote]
That's a pessimistic view, but not out of the realm of
possibilities. I see this more as a sanctioned revenue sharing
model, which clearly favors the big schools (P5) but may have an
effect on the mid majors as well. Maybe players at SBU will
wind up sharing ticket/merchandise/advertising sales with the
University. It'll take some time to see how this all shakes
out.
One thing for certain, college athletics has become professional
athletics, to a smaller scale. What's next, High School
pay-for-play?
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Re: RE: NCAA Settlement. Pay for Play
DIR By: ecasadoSBU
Date: May 26, 2024, 9:49 pm
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But everyone will have to revenue share right?
Not just the Power-5.
That means that Stony Brook will have to pay athletes any
revenue generated? Right?
and what does this mean for non-revenue generating sports? Does
that mean those student athletes don't get paid?
This is honestly so confusing.We urgently need CONGRESS to get
involved and lay out the rules for collegiate athletics.
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Re: RE: NCAA Settlement. Pay for Play
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: May 27, 2024, 8:09 am
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the one thing i do know is that college sports as we once knew
it really over- behind the scenes that is. the product on the
field/court may appear the same, but everything has been tainted
with money. it already was; this is now just more overt.
it's getting harder and harder to watch, and i don't blame the
players, coaches, ADs, etc. i blame the NCAA, and maybe even
the boosters to some extent (at the highest levels).
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Re: RE: NCAA Settlement. Pay for Play
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: May 27, 2024, 8:17 am
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here's a perspective, though it is focused on women's lacrosse
nationally, it may provide some insights (which i mostly agree
with!):
HTML https://fanlax.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=557074#p557074
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> Back to the original question, how will this impact women's
lax.
>
> My perspective.
>
> First off, some clarity around the settlement. The settlement
calls for 22% of revenues to go to athletes, not a fixed $$
amount. Obviously, impact is much greater for power 5 schools
than other schools.
>
> Some impacts from my perspective
>
> 1) BIG LOSER -- 2026 recruits. Details of this settlement
won't be finalized until mid-fall at the earliest. This means
that coaches may be going into recruiting without understanding
their budgets. I expect coaches to be very aggressive for the
top 100 players and the very conservative for the rest. I would
expect more late commits than in the previous few cycles
>
> 2) BIG LOSER -- kids on schools with big rosters. I think the
roster cap could be the biggest potential impact for a majority
of women's lax programs. No idea what the cap will be, but I
can't see it being higher than 45, more than likely 40. Some
schools may need to do some serious trimming, including
potentially some 2025 commts
>
> 3) BIG WINNER -- Revenue driving women's sports. Despite what
some folks on the internet say, if these payments are coming
from the school, they are subject to Title IX. Expect women's
hoop and volleyball to get the lion's share, but can see
benefits acrosse women's sports
>
> 4) BIG BIG LOSER -- non-revenue male sports. No 2 ways about
it. With new revenue streaming coming and Title IX compliance in
effect, cuts need to come form somewhere. Expect to see many
expensive low-revenue men's sports gone. Expect to see many
men's track, wrestling and golf programs cut
>
> 5) BIG BIG WINNER -- SEC and BIG 10 women's lax. More $$ in
play now and no scholarship caps. Can't see a few programs
really leverage the lack of scholarship caps. Within 4 years, I
expect Michigan, Penn State, USC, Florida, Clemson to be
perennial top 10 teams. Will be interesting to see what these
coaches do in 2026 recruiting. Will they over committ
scholarship $$ before new rules come in place or will they wait
until the 27s to bring in a full class of girls on full rides.
>
> 6) X factors -- Northwestern, Stony Brook, Hopkins, Denver.
With these changes on the horizon, Northwestern could start very
easily being outspent by a majority of the teams in its
conference. Will it be able to compete? With Stony Brook no
longer being on a level playing field with top schools and his
kids graduated, how long does Joe S stay? I assume he may try to
fundraise to get additional $$, but I think this could be the
trigger at him leaving. Same story for Denver and Hopkins, if I
were betting, I think they move to AAC sooner rather than later.
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Re: RE: NCAA Settlement. Pay for Play
DIR By: Chairman of the Board
Date: May 27, 2024, 8:29 am
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a little more...
HTML https://fanlax.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=555968#p555968
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> "Don’t get me started on the chaos engulfing big-time college
football and basketball. As I’ve long pointed out, we are the
only country in which institutions of higher learning provide
significant entertainment for the masses (Canada? Very low-key
compared with us). But we always pretended the priority was
Education. Ha! I’d love to know how many of these transfer
portal people ever see a classroom in their new port of call.
>
> It’s important to identify the true villains here. It’s not
the coaches. It’s not the athletic directors. And it’s certainly
not the, ahem, “student-athletes.” It’s the school presidents
who have been seduced by the dollar sign. None of this insane
conference realignment, or any other examples of the new
nonsense, takes place without their approval."
>
> - Bob Ryan, Boston Globe
>
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#Post#: 43852--------------------------------------------------
Re: RE: NCAA Settlement. Pay for Play
DIR By: iBOsbu
Date: May 27, 2024, 12:50 pm
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It’s a billion dollars sports entertainment industry under the
veil of education and amateurism. Everyone was making millions…
presidents, colleges, coaches, staff, agents, tv companies,
Nike, except the “student athletes “. Now they want a piece of
the pie. I agree it’s not fun to watch anymore. There’s no
roster continuity. There’s no loyalty. But I don’t blame student
athletes one bit.
#Post#: 43853--------------------------------------------------
Re: RE: NCAA Settlement. Pay for Play
DIR By: ry1nik
Date: May 27, 2024, 2:57 pm
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As the concept of student-athlete starts to turn into
athlete-student , they stop representing what a university is
supposed to be all about. I’d much rather watch a pro game and
support the university academically only.
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