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Re: Richmond Departing CAA Football to go to Patriot League Foot
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By: Campi47 Date: August 1, 2024, 6:12 pm
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There is no Charleston Football Team in the CAA
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Re: Richmond Departing CAA Football to go to Patriot League Foot
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By: Campi47 Date: August 1, 2024, 6:42 pm
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You’re are talking about the whole conference not just football
so I get what you’re saying
#Post#: 43965--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Departing CAA Football to go to Patriot League Foot
ball
By: Hammertime Date: August 2, 2024, 10:06 am
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[quote author=factorykitten link=topic=1106.msg43960#msg43960
date=1722471691]
Who would be surprised to see villanova leave in a year or so
and follow richmond to the patriot? Not me the caa is slowing
falling apart but when you look back in five years it wont have
been slowly falling if Villanova and others leave. right now i
see charleston leaving as soon as a year or so and VN not far
behind them. the conference cant get its act together and the
north south south north travel budgets are a burden.
[/quote]
I’m calling it now. I give the CAA 5 years to be one of the
worst conferences in D1. Lower than the America East, by far.
For all sports I’m talking about. As far as just for football.
Dead last. Hopefully I’m still alive in 5 yrs to see if I’m
wrong or right, but. Like what you are saying. The CAA can’t get
its act together and the good will leave, Leaving behind schools
who traditionally shouldn’t even be in D1…
#Post#: 43966--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Departing CAA Football to go to Patriot League Foot
ball
By: Redwyn Date: August 2, 2024, 8:44 pm
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[quote author=Hammertime link=topic=1106.msg43965#msg43965
date=1722611166]
[quote author=factorykitten link=topic=1106.msg43960#msg43960
date=1722471691]
Who would be surprised to see villanova leave in a year or so
and follow richmond to the patriot? Not me the caa is slowing
falling apart but when you look back in five years it wont have
been slowly falling if Villanova and others leave. right now i
see charleston leaving as soon as a year or so and VN not far
behind them. the conference cant get its act together and the
north south south north travel budgets are a burden.
[/quote]
I’m calling it now. I give the CAA 5 years to be one of the
worst conferences in D1. Lower than the America East, by far.
For all sports I’m talking about. As far as just for football.
Dead last. Hopefully I’m still alive in 5 yrs to see if I’m
wrong or right, but. Like what you are saying. The CAA can’t get
its act together and the good will leave, Leaving behind schools
who traditionally shouldn’t even be in D1…
[/quote]
Ehhh, I dunno. I honestly don't think that will be the case.
First, Richmond's "dissatisfaction" with the CAA is not the only
reason why they left. I think, like BU, they saw the writing on
the wall for college athletics. Richmond is a small private
college. It had the smallest enrollment of any CAA school. It
can't keep up with the larger schools in football NIL and
athletic funding. They're also an A-10 school, so don't really
benefit from strongly funding football. So rather than accept a
diminished standing at the upper echelon of FCS, they chose to
enter a "pedigree" conference where that really doesn't matter
and they can save money/sweat. I think it was a good call. Just
like I thought BU's move was a good call. Competitiveness? Come
on man, Bucknell, Colgate, and Fordham up until recently sucked
at football. Lafayette and Lehigh rotate between good and bad
seasons....Georgetown is terrible. Unless the FCS championship
format is changed to a spelling bee, these guys don't come close
to the CAA level on average most years.
Stony Brook has no reason to jump the CAA. It is a still a young
school with a massive upward trajectory in all metrics that
matter. It is also a medium-sized state, which makes it an
eventual FBS candidate. Given that membership in the Big Sky and
MVC are not options due to geography, I think that the CAA is
the only mid-major conference that gives us a reasonable chance
of going FBS in the near future. That's why we jumped the AEC.
There's no other good reason for us to have done so. It doesn't
mean that it happens this year or even in the next 5, but it
does allow us to make the move when the time is right. I firmly
believe that, and have gotten no indication that this isn't the
plan. An apathetic President doesn't change my opinion. She had
influence but there are many in the background that steer that
move more profoundly.
The current CAA football setup has a nexus of solid northeastern
and mid-atlantic state schools that could theoretically pull off
FBS, but either aren't ready yet (us and maybe Towson) or don't
want to.
Maine
U Albany
New Hampshire
Stony Brook
William & Mary
NC A&T
U Rhode Island
Towson University
They also have some tag along members who are privates and want
to play up
Villanova
Elon
Hampton
Monmouth
Campbell
Those smaller programs aren't supposed to be CAA football
champions with the exception of Villanova. The rest are full
conference members that bring an overall competitive athletic
program in other sports (ok, maybe not Hampton. Don't really get
Hampton) and just so happen to dabble in football.
And for peace of mind, these were the RealTimeRPI rankings for
the CAA vs. Patriot (they rank FBS and FCS combined)
Patriot:
Holy Cross - 62
Lafayette - 143
Fordham - 158
Colgate - 184
Georgetown - 193
Bucknell - 206
Lehigh - 235
CAA (in a down year and with a bunch of first year members):
Delaware - 49
William & Mary - 89
Rhode Island - 116
New Hampshire - 145
Villanova - 151
Hampton - 172
Elon - 180
Richmond - 183
Towson - 196
Campbell - 203
Monmouth - 209
Maine - 242
NC A&T - 243
Stony Brook - 250
Richmond - 183
By my count, excluding Delaware, SEVEN CAA teams were ranked
better than the 4th place Patriot team. And Hampton beat
Richmond, btw.
#Post#: 43977--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Departing CAA Football to go to Patriot League Foot
ball
By: Hammertime Date: August 6, 2024, 3:03 pm
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[quote author=Redwyn link=topic=1106.msg43966#msg43966
date=1722649497]
[quote author=Hammertime link=topic=1106.msg43965#msg43965
date=1722611166]
[quote author=factorykitten link=topic=1106.msg43960#msg43960
date=1722471691]
Who would be surprised to see villanova leave in a year or so
and follow richmond to the patriot? Not me the caa is slowing
falling apart but when you look back in five years it wont have
been slowly falling if Villanova and others leave. right now i
see charleston leaving as soon as a year or so and VN not far
behind them. the conference cant get its act together and the
north south south north travel budgets are a burden.
[/quote]
I’m calling it now. I give the CAA 5 years to be one of the
worst conferences in D1. Lower than the America East, by far.
For all sports I’m talking about. As far as just for football.
Dead last. Hopefully I’m still alive in 5 yrs to see if I’m
wrong or right, but. Like what you are saying. The CAA can’t get
its act together and the good will leave, Leaving behind schools
who traditionally shouldn’t even be in D1…
[/quote]
Ehhh, I dunno. I honestly don't think that will be the case.
First, Richmond's "dissatisfaction" with the CAA is not the only
reason why they left. I think, like BU, they saw the writing on
the wall for college athletics. Richmond is a small private
college. It had the smallest enrollment of any CAA school. It
can't keep up with the larger schools in football NIL and
athletic funding. They're also an A-10 school, so don't really
benefit from strongly funding football. So rather than accept a
diminished standing at the upper echelon of FCS, they chose to
enter a "pedigree" conference where that really doesn't matter
and they can save money/sweat. I think it was a good call. Just
like I thought BU's move was a good call. Competitiveness? Come
on man, Bucknell, Colgate, and Fordham up until recently sucked
at football. Lafayette and Lehigh rotate between good and bad
seasons....Georgetown is terrible. Unless the FCS championship
format is changed to a spelling bee, these guys don't come close
to the CAA level on average most years.
Stony Brook has no reason to jump the CAA. It is a still a young
school with a massive upward trajectory in all metrics that
matter. It is also a medium-sized state, which makes it an
eventual FBS candidate. Given that membership in the Big Sky and
MVC are not options due to geography, I think that the CAA is
the only mid-major conference that gives us a reasonable chance
of going FBS in the near future. That's why we jumped the AEC.
There's no other good reason for us to have done so. It doesn't
mean that it happens this year or even in the next 5, but it
does allow us to make the move when the time is right. I firmly
believe that, and have gotten no indication that this isn't the
plan. An apathetic President doesn't change my opinion. She had
influence but there are many in the background that steer that
move more profoundly.
The current CAA football setup has a nexus of solid northeastern
and mid-atlantic state schools that could theoretically pull off
FBS, but either aren't ready yet (us and maybe Towson) or don't
want to.
Maine
U Albany
New Hampshire
Stony Brook
William & Mary
NC A&T
U Rhode Island
Towson University
They also have some tag along members who are privates and want
to play up
Villanova
Elon
Hampton
Monmouth
Campbell
Those smaller programs aren't supposed to be CAA football
champions with the exception of Villanova. The rest are full
conference members that bring an overall competitive athletic
program in other sports (ok, maybe not Hampton. Don't really get
Hampton) and just so happen to dabble in football.
And for peace of mind, these were the RealTimeRPI rankings for
the CAA vs. Patriot (they rank FBS and FCS combined)
Patriot:
Holy Cross - 62
Lafayette - 143
Fordham - 158
Colgate - 184
Georgetown - 193
Bucknell - 206
Lehigh - 235
CAA (in a down year and with a bunch of first year members):
Delaware - 49
William & Mary - 89
Rhode Island - 116
New Hampshire - 145
Villanova - 151
Hampton - 172
Elon - 180
Richmond - 183
Towson - 196
Campbell - 203
Monmouth - 209
Maine - 242
NC A&T - 243
Stony Brook - 250
Richmond - 183
By my count, excluding Delaware, SEVEN CAA teams were ranked
better than the 4th place Patriot team. And Hampton beat
Richmond, btw.
[/quote]
I think your response is a very good one. Outstanding
comparisons of conferences and RS pecking order in the CAA.
However. I disagree on a couple of points.
#1 I don't see SBU going FBS in the near or far future. This
school has gotten away from D1 football, and that is evident
with the recent president hires. Their high and low priorities
are in research and lately, Green alternatives. So caring about
sports, especially football is not even an option for its
school. As a matter of fact. I see SBU dropping down to D3 as
Hartford did. Just my opinion.
#2 Colgate and Fordham has been a football powerhouse for quite
a few years now and the projector is even higher. i don't see
them being a one-hit wonder school anymore. The momentum is on
their side. I mean heck. D3 Cortland could play and compete in
the FCS and make some noise lately. These are schools that have
high aspirations in sports. SBU clearly and quite obviously does
not.
#3 SBU got half a billion Dollars from Simon to do what they
wanted with the money. Why haven't they installed lighting at
the men's baseball field yet???? Dont tell me things like this
take time to start.
Like I said earlier. Your thesis is highly respected and a good
one, but it is also your opinion. Like mine is my opinion too. I
am just not as optimistic as you are about the direction of this
school's sports program moving forward...
#Post#: 43997--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Departing CAA Football to go to Patriot League Foot
ball
By: NoVA_Seawolf Date: August 15, 2024, 8:42 pm
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[quote author=Hammertime link=topic=1106.msg43977#msg43977
date=1722974636]
I think your response is a very good one. Outstanding
comparisons of conferences and RS pecking order in the CAA.
However. I disagree on a couple of points.
#1 I don't see SBU going FBS in the near or far future. This
school has gotten away from D1 football, and that is evident
with the recent president hires. Their high and low priorities
are in research and lately, Green alternatives. So caring about
sports, especially football is not even an option for its
school. As a matter of fact. I see SBU dropping down to D3 as
Hartford did. Just my opinion.
#2 Colgate and Fordham has been a football powerhouse for quite
a few years now and the projector is even higher. i don't see
them being a one-hit wonder school anymore. The momentum is on
their side. I mean heck. D3 Cortland could play and compete in
the FCS and make some noise lately. These are schools that have
high aspirations in sports. SBU clearly and quite obviously does
not.
#3 SBU got half a billion Dollars from Simon to do what they
wanted with the money. Why haven't they installed lighting at
the men's baseball field yet???? Dont tell me things like this
take time to start.
Like I said earlier. Your thesis is highly respected and a good
one, but it is also your opinion. Like mine is my opinion too. I
am just not as optimistic as you are about the direction of this
school's sports program moving forward...
[/quote]
It honestly might be best to admit the move to the CAA was a
mistake and just go back to the AE with one or two other
schools, Start up AE football and call it a day. The league
we're going to be in in a year or two really isn't the league we
signed up for and with all the other changes around college
sports.... migth be best to find ways to reign in costs.
#Post#: 44058--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Departing CAA Football to go to Patriot League Foot
ball
By: guest441 Date: August 29, 2024, 5:53 pm
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I think the CAA football conference is in danger of not being
around in five years.
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