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Re: Looking ahead to 2024-25
By: Knicksbu99 Date: April 3, 2024, 5:02 pm
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She’s an alum nevermind.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2024-25
By: Chairman of the Board Date: April 3, 2024, 6:34 pm
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[quote author=Knicksbu99 link=topic=1102.msg43522#msg43522
date=1712180717]
How are we gonna get people to give NIL when people don’t even
go to games we need to nab 1-3 big money donors do they even
exist?
[/quote]
bingo.
the only issue even worth discussing.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2024-25
By: guest441 Date: April 3, 2024, 6:40 pm
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=1102.msg43526#msg43526 date=1712187264]
[quote author=Knicksbu99 link=topic=1102.msg43522#msg43522
date=1712180717]
How are we gonna get people to give NIL when people don’t even
go to games we need to nab 1-3 big money donors do they even
exist?
[/quote]
bingo.
the only issue even worth discussing.
[/quote]
if its true and pat hatch was moved over to seawolves united i
dont think anything will get better with fundraising. when you
have good teams on the court and on the field the people will
come. SH killed the program. and there commitment to raising
money is pat hatch? you couldnt make this stuff up if you tried.
#Post#: 43531--------------------------------------------------
Re: Looking ahead to 2024-25
By: EastCoastMD Date: April 4, 2024, 8:09 am
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It's not Helibron's fault. There is a complete apathy to this
entire program, and it's impossible to raise money under those
circumstances. When I was a student there in 2006-2010, we
routinely packed out all the football and men's basketball
games. We pregamed in the parking lot, had the face paint,
shirts off--- we were really into it. When I look at the
attendance at the games now (particularly the student's
section), it's a complete embarrassment. Maybe 50 students max
show up to any game. Absolutely embarassing. We may have moved
up into better conferences since I left many years ago, but no
one truly cares about the athletics like we did back in.
Starting from the top (the president who didn't even make it a
priority to show up to Cosh's press conference) down to the
students. Sad state of affairs. I don't think a new athletics
director will fix the program. There needs to be a complete
overhaul ON CAMPUS. Maybe winning cures that some. But I think
the problem is much deeper than that. These students are truly
locked in a library these days and nothing else, which is maybe
what they want. Academics ONLY until further notice.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2024-25
By: Chairman of the Board Date: April 4, 2024, 8:33 am
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bingo again. though, its hard to complain that students want to
study! :o
HTML https://sbufan.createaforum.com/around-stony-brook/making-sb-better-idea-thread-2-0/
in any event- if it makes you feel better- attendance is WAY
better than when i attended. light years. bball was lucky to
get 200 people. wbb had even less. mlax had maybe 500 if the
weather was good. football i recall a thousand even if playing
RMU, jacksonville, ccsu, etc. no one went to baseball and
baseball was GOOD back then. wsoc was parents and visiting
teams. vball was a mixed bag.
what makes this slightly more alarming- enrollment has swelled
since then, more dorms on campus, increased profile, money
dumped into athletics, move to Div1, AE/Coastal, etc. And yet
the attendance hasnt really improved commensurate with the
investment.
my concern is that the remedy for this is like a contintental
shift- takes decades- thus, the fact that the U hasnt really
started on the process (in earnest), means we are losing time.
and guess who we will lose out to. yep, the great pains.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2024-25
By: OldSeawolf Date: April 4, 2024, 11:26 am
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[quote author=EastCoastMD link=topic=1102.msg43531#msg43531
date=1712236147]
It's not Helibron's fault. There is a complete apathy to this
entire program, and it's impossible to raise money under those
circumstances. When I was a student there in 2006-2010, we
routinely packed out all the football and men's basketball
games. We pregamed in the parking lot, had the face paint,
shirts off--- we were really into it. When I look at the
attendance at the games now (particularly the student's
section), it's a complete embarrassment. Maybe 50 students max
show up to any game. Absolutely embarassing. We may have moved
up into better conferences since I left many years ago, but no
one truly cares about the athletics like we did back in.
Starting from the top (the president who didn't even make it a
priority to show up to Cosh's press conference) down to the
students. Sad state of affairs. I don't think a new athletics
director will fix the program. There needs to be a complete
overhaul ON CAMPUS. Maybe winning cures that some. But I think
the problem is much deeper than that. These students are truly
locked in a library these days and nothing else, which is maybe
what they want. Academics ONLY until further notice.
[/quote]
Respectfully disagree. I think it all starts at the top.
President. AD. Need to market better, and maybe provide
incentives for putting fans in the seats. Of course, winning
cures everything, but it's a vicious circle. Lots of foreign
students on campus explains lack of football enthusiasm perhaps,
but not basketball. Need a marketer extraordinaire as the AD,
but having a President who's into it (and from afar, I don't see
that at all), surely would help. I know Fiore was fired for
some bad things, but the guy had fire in his belly, and wouldn't
have stood for this current climate. If he hadn't screwed up
and/or hadn't been courted elsewhere, we'd be in the A10 now,
with better products, IMO.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2024-25
By: OldSeawolf Date: April 4, 2024, 11:40 am
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[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=1102.msg43532#msg43532 date=1712237591]
bingo again. though, its hard to complain that students want to
study! :o
HTML https://sbufan.createaforum.com/around-stony-brook/making-sb-better-idea-thread-2-0/
in any event- if it makes you feel better- attendance is WAY
better than when i attended. light years. bball was lucky to
get 200 people. wbb had even less. mlax had maybe 500 if the
weather was good. football i recall a thousand even if playing
RMU, jacksonville, ccsu, etc. no one went to baseball and
baseball was GOOD back then. wsoc was parents and visiting
teams. vball was a mixed bag.
what makes this slightly more alarming- enrollment has swelled
since then, more dorms on campus, increased profile, money
dumped into athletics, move to Div1, AE/Coastal, etc. And yet
the attendance hasnt really improved commensurate with the
investment.
my concern is that the remedy for this is like a contintental
shift- takes decades- thus, the fact that the U hasnt really
started on the process (in earnest), means we are losing time.
and guess who we will lose out to. yep, the great pains.
[/quote]
Totally agree, CoB, and I lived through the dismal attendances
that you stated. Agree that a major shift needed. IMO, changes
at the top would help, but state funding and academics-first
bias (as it should be) seem to work against getting to the next
level. Still, a resourceful and creative team at the top could
squeeze more out of current assets, IMO. We're not that far
removed from the Warney days, where we were on a higher
trajectory.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2024-25
By: guest152 Date: April 4, 2024, 11:53 am
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[quote author=factorykitten link=topic=1102.msg43527#msg43527
date=1712187609]
[quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=1102.msg43526#msg43526 date=1712187264]
[quote author=Knicksbu99 link=topic=1102.msg43522#msg43522
date=1712180717]
How are we gonna get people to give NIL when people don’t even
go to games we need to nab 1-3 big money donors do they even
exist?
[/quote]
bingo.
the only issue even worth discussing.
[/quote]
if its true and pat hatch was moved over to seawolves united i
dont think anything will get better with fundraising. when you
have good teams on the court and on the field the people will
come. SH killed the program. and there commitment to raising
money is pat hatch? you couldnt make this stuff up if you tried.
[/quote]
It’s often difficult to simply get rid of dead weight in the
SUNY system unless there is some especially egregious
misconduct. The AD can remove bad coaches from coaching
positions but then they just get shuffled around to other
positions in the department like “facilities operations” or
somewhere else within the SUNY cesspool. They are state
employees with union reps and pensions involved. It’s the way it
is.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2024-25
By: Checkmate Date: April 4, 2024, 12:39 pm
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Frederick to the portal. Transferring down I’m guessing.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2024-25
By: Accelerator Date: April 6, 2024, 4:51 pm
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Stony Brook grad transfer Keenan Fitzmorris tells us he’s heard
from the following schools:
Northwestern
Wyoming
UMass
Wichita State
Drake
Rice
DePaul
Saint Joes
UMBC
UIC
Akron
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