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Re: New coach thread
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: November 14, 2023, 5:41 pm
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--- Quote from: sbufan link ---
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> [quote author=Hammertime link=topic=1051.msg41230#msg41230
date=1699980817]
> [quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=1051.msg41218#msg41218
date=1699934482]
> [quote author=sbufan link=topic=1051.msg41188#msg41188
date=1699909978]
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HTML https://twitter.com/MikeAnderson_15/status/1724170206728069509
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> So not actually fired. Likely re-assigned to administrative
job. I imagine he'll just end doing a lot of cold calling alums
asking for donations or something.
>
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I actually like that. Make him work for his money until his
contract is over. At least you can get some work out of the guy
rather than just buying him out for free.
[/quote]
True, and I understand your logic. But with a new HC and quite
possibly, new assistant coach hired. What the heck is Priore
going to be doing for the next 24 Month?? Recruit???? God, I
hope not.
Here is my opinion on why he is here for two more years, and not
immediately fired.
Priore has 18 yrs with SBU as a state employee, when you hit the
20 year mark your pension is much higher. I’m assuming he was
tier 2, like I was in the NYPD, many moons ago.
Cops got 2 1/2 years of pension service for every year on. So
twenty years on gave us 50% pension. I’m not sure how it works
with coaches contract though. But I’d imagine his pension is
with more with twenty years on oppose to 18. This is my take on
it.
[/quote]
I doubt Priore is in the NYS pension fund. Coaches don't expect
to stay in anyone place very long so typically it's smarter to
opt for the deferred tax option where you're certain to vest
[/quote]
Yeah, I’m not a 100% certain of that neither. But this is SBU,
where everything goes down
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Re: New coach thread
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: November 14, 2023, 6:10 pm
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> I'm hearing the front runner is UPenn's coach, Ray Priore.
Just kidding. Good luck with your new coach selection.
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That would be awesome!
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Re: New coach thread
DIR By: Tml
Date: November 14, 2023, 6:27 pm
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--- Quote from: sbufan link ---
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> What's a reasonable time frame to expect a new coach to be
hired by?
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3-5 years
Oops, thought you meant contract time. My bad.
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Re: New coach thread
DIR By: Accelerator
Date: November 14, 2023, 7:01 pm
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Ray Priore is actually 14-5 over these last two years
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Re: New coach thread
DIR By: guest152
Date: November 14, 2023, 7:58 pm
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--- Quote from: Chairman of the Board link ---
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> updated:
HTML https://sbstatesman.com/122702/sports/chuck-priore-out-as-stony-brooks-head-coach-2/
>
> [quote]
>
> “When we met yesterday … I told him we were making a change,”
Heilbron said in an interview with The Statesman.
>
> Heilbron confirmed that Priore has not been fully terminated
from Stony Brook Athletics, but he is being reassigned to a
different position within the organization. The two parties are
yet to agree on a determined role, but are in the process of
figuring that out.
>
> “I didn’t fire Chuck, we’ve simply made a change in
leadership,” Heilbron said. “We’re working through the logistics
of what all of that looks like. When Chuck and I met, I told him
we were making a change, and he has the right to do due
diligence on his end, as do we.”
>
> Being a union employee, Priore’s contract makes things
difficult for the department to cut ties entirely. His
most-recent extension specifies a $675,000 buyout if he is fired
after year one, which represents a likely deterrent for the
University to terminate him entirely.
>
> “As a state employee, as a member of the union, he has rights
that make this an interesting situation,” Heilbron said. “So I
want to make sure that he’s able to do that, but we are terming
it as a change in leadership of the football program.”
>
>
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[/quote]” I didn’t Fire Chuck, we’ve simply made a change in
leadership”.?? Another convoluted, unnecessary statement
putting a pathetic spin on this. I dunno if this was scripted by
someone else for some legal reason but the fiddly choice of
words here reeks of weakness. Just simply state, “we are making
a change at head coach”. Period.
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Re: New coach thread
DIR By: The Voice since 1988
Date: November 14, 2023, 10:41 pm
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What he said was true, though.
And it does answer a few questions we had concerning a potential
buyout. As in where would the money come from.
I would have to look it up, but I remember Steve Pikiell's job
being listed in the nursing department. In other words, to pay
the salaries coaches on the mid-major level traditionally get,
SB did some creative budgeting. By keeping Chuck on, nothing
changes there, and they don't have to come up with two years'
pay all at once. Or deal with state employment policies.
Again, need to dig a little deeper, but at the time Chuck was
hired, all coaching positions were subject to the same
regulations as other University jobs, meaning you could obtain
permanent appointment after a certain number of years in
service. That means you can't get fired but can get reassigned.
As Kornhauser and Espey were among others.
They still do have to pay a successor though, and he won't come
cheap.
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Re: New coach thread
DIR By: NJ Seawolf
Date: November 14, 2023, 10:56 pm
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I don't have any objection with Heilbron's statement. Yes its
awkward but I don't see the big deal- he's wording it in a
manner that I'm sure is consistent with Priore's contract.
#Post#: 41250--------------------------------------------------
Re: New coach thread
DIR By: Hammertime
Date: November 15, 2023, 4:45 am
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--- Quote from: The Voice since 1988 link ---
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> What he said was true, though.
>
> And it does answer a few questions we had concerning a
potential buyout. As in where would the money come from.
>
> I would have to look it up, but I remember Steve Pikiell's job
being listed in the nursing department. In other words, to pay
the salaries coaches on the mid-major level traditionally get,
SB did some creative budgeting. By keeping Chuck on, nothing
changes there, and they don't have to come up with two years'
pay all at once. Or deal with state employment policies.
>
> Again, need to dig a little deeper, but at the time Chuck was
hired, all coaching positions were subject to the same
regulations as other University jobs, meaning you could obtain
permanent appointment after a certain number of years in
service. That means you can't get fired but can get reassigned.
As Kornhauser and Espey were among others.
>
> They still do have to pay a successor though, and he won't
come cheap.
>
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I believe after 7 years you get tenure. But, I suppose all
coach's contracts are structured differently.
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Re: New coach thread
DIR By: sbufan
Date: November 15, 2023, 6:46 am
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--- Quote from: Triple Lindy link ---
>
> [quote author=Chairman of the Board
link=topic=1051.msg41233#msg41233 date=1699991378]
> updated:
HTML https://sbstatesman.com/122702/sports/chuck-priore-out-as-stony-brooks-head-coach-2/
>
> [quote]
>
> “When we met yesterday … I told him we were making a change,”
Heilbron said in an interview with The Statesman.
>
> Heilbron confirmed that Priore has not been fully terminated
from Stony Brook Athletics, but he is being reassigned to a
different position within the organization. The two parties are
yet to agree on a determined role, but are in the process of
figuring that out.
>
> “I didn’t fire Chuck, we’ve simply made a change in
leadership,” Heilbron said. “We’re working through the logistics
of what all of that looks like. When Chuck and I met, I told him
we were making a change, and he has the right to do due
diligence on his end, as do we.”
>
> Being a union employee, Priore’s contract makes things
difficult for the department to cut ties entirely. His
most-recent extension specifies a $675,000 buyout if he is fired
after year one, which represents a likely deterrent for the
University to terminate him entirely.
>
> “As a state employee, as a member of the union, he has rights
that make this an interesting situation,” Heilbron said. “So I
want to make sure that he’s able to do that, but we are terming
it as a change in leadership of the football program.”
>
>
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]” I didn’t Fire Chuck, we’ve simply made a change in
leadership”.?? Another convoluted, unnecessary statement
putting a pathetic spin on this. I dunno if this was scripted by
someone else for some legal reason but the fiddly choice of
words here reeks of weakness. Just simply state, “we are making
a change at head coach”. Period.
[/quote]
So my take on this almost the opposite, but agree that there is
a legal reason for the word choice. Based on the quotes from
Heilbron, I imagine the conversation with Priore went something
like this.
A Short Play on Chuck Priore's Firing
by SBUFAN
SH: Chuck we're terminating you
CP: You can't do that. I have a union protections
SH: Ok we will reassign you to the mail room. You'll love it.
Lots of route options
CP: You'll be hearing from the union
SH: Cool, but you won't be coaching the football
END
Jokes aside, this makes me more upset about the contract
extension given we now know how difficult it is to terminate
him.
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Re: New coach thread
DIR By: Wolffan
Date: November 15, 2023, 7:29 am
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--- Quote from: Cowboys2022 link ---
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> [quote author=Wolffan link=topic=1051.msg41224#msg41224
date=1699975144]
> Letting it get to this point, 0-10 with a very weak returning
roster, admin has created a situation where fewer good coaches
might take the career risk at SBU.
> Although I believe the pay will be comparatively good, the
facilities are adequate, and the academic reputation mean that
we should get at least a couple of promising risk-takers.
>
--- End Quote ---
The returning roster is far from weak. There is depth all over
the field, and on both sides of the ball. Improvement on the
offensive line is key, as well as the secondary. But if you look
at the roster, saying weak about the players is wrong. They have
the talent to improve and succeed.
[/quote] Gotta disagree with you there. Between all the
recruiting and retaining issues (not to mention the 2-19 record
over the last two years) I'd be shocked if we didn't have a very
weak roster (relative to the average CAA team) coming back. Of
course, I'm the guy who didn't think Case was very good
(relative to the average CAA QB) and I know others disagreed
(and still disagree).
The new coach has a LOT of work to do - including, but not
limited to - rebuilding the roster.
Beyond that, two things can be true at the same time: Priore
can be poor in the recruiting/retaining department AND be poor
in the player development department.
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