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#Post#: 40913--------------------------------------------------
Game 1: at St. John's, 11/7 7pm
By: Checkmate Date: October 30, 2023, 8:49 am
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ST. JOHN'S (0-0)
Last Game: Season opener
Last Game vs SBU: St. John's 89, Stony Brook 66; SBU led 33-27
after 15 minutes; 22-2 StJ run to end the half; Policelli's
first double-double (14 and 10)
Checkmate Guess the Line: St. John's -14.5
NET Ranking: TBD
KenPom Rating: St. John's 60, Stony Brook 276
KenPom Prediction: St. John's 78, Stony Brook 61
Watch: FS1 or
HTML https://www.foxsports.com/live/fs1
Listen: TBD
Notables:
6-3/195 sr G Jordan Dingle 23.4 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.1 spg, .464 FG%,
.356 3-pt FG%, .856 FT% (at Penn) (questionable)
6-6/225 gr F Chris Ledlum 18.8 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 1.8 spg, 1.1 bpg,
.473 FG% (at Harvard)
6-4/180 gr G Daniss Jenkins 15.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.4 spg,
.361 3-pt FG%, .786% FT% (at Iona)
6-11/255 sr C Joel Soriano 15.2 ppg, 11.9 rpg, 1.4 bpg, .563 FG%
6-4/200 gr G Sean Conway 12.1 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.0 spg, .378 3-pt
FG%, .870 FT% (at Iona)
6-6/205 jr F Glenn Taylor Jr. 11.6 ppg, 3.7 rpg, .801 FT% (at
Oregon State)
It's go time. No matter how you think this season's going to end
up, opening night is something special. It's always exciting to
see what you have, and to know that somewhere you'll be able to
see college hoops on TV or online for the next five months. It
really is great. We'll see what we're made of right out of the
gate, and being on FS1, so will everybody.
The list of "notables" usually doesn't include six guys in
double figures (seven if you count RJ Luis, who's out with a
broken hand), but it does show the breadth of talent that Pitino
is working with, and the new reality of college basketball. St.
John's is filled with guys who had decorated college careers,
albeit at a lower level than the Big East. But still ... we're
talking accolades. Pitino nabbed Dingle from Penn, where he was
named Ivy League Player of the Year – an elite get (top 25 at
worst per transfer rankings). Now Dingle gets to play close to
where he grew up (Valley Stream) and try his hand against a
higher level of competition. Then there's Ledlum, who was first
team All-Ivy and is a problem. Pitino got to see it firsthand
when Ledlum dropped 28 on Iona a couple years ago. He kind of
reminds of the kid Malik Ellison from Hartford a few years ago –
not the biggest kid, not this elite shooter but can score in a
bunch of different ways, whether it's off the dribble, in
transition, on second chances, etc. You can keep going. UMass
fans were really sorry to lose Luis, Jenkins is a consummate
point guard, Conway and Taylor have started a million games, and
that's not to mention transfers from Kansas, UConn and, yes, a
couple secondary pieces from Iona.
Most would say that Pitino was masterful this offseason, but a
lot of really good players did go off to new, possibly greener
pastures – Wisconsin, Memphis, Butler, Seton Hall to name a few.
That left him with Soriano, the lone holdover from last year's
team, and paved the way for Simeon Wilcher, the program's best
recruit in years. We had a standout Roselle Catholic guy here
once upon a time.
Long term, we'll see whether the mid-major stars can be stars in
a power conference. You think about players from the past who
jumped from the AE to bigger schools and they were limited to
being nice role players. Cremo at Villanova, Calixte at
Oklahoma, Olaniyi at Miami, et al. And they were really good AE
players. I'll be interested to see what kind of minutes Estrada
(Hofstra[emoji1428]Alabama), Nelson (Delaware[emoji1428]TCU) and
Timberlake (Towson[emoji1428]Kansas) get too. As for next week,
will Dingle even play? He seems doubtful.
Whether he does or not, I'm curious how our guards hold up
defensively. TSM will be fine. It's been a while since we've
seen him, but to me it looked like he put on 10 pounds of muscle
in the offseason. Guy is a grown man. But beyond him, I don't
think that defense is necessarily the calling card for guys like
TO, Clarke, Noll or Frey, who are supposed to get significant
minutes. And only Frey is taller than 6-2, so that poses a
problem too. Philip, Snoddy and maybe Frederick will be key –
again, our roster jumps from 6-6 to all these trees. All three
of those wings are thick and should allow us to compete inside
and on the glass, but I hope that they can defend on the
perimeter too. Snoddy seems like the best bet.
Next week's backcourt matchups should be good. I like that, if
Pitino speeds us up, we have guys who can handle it. Last year,
we winged it with a true freshman guard, Roberts and Pettway.
Now we have real experience back there. The pressure overwhelmed
us the last time we played St. John's. We also might see a more
traditional halfcourt defense if St. John's has concern about
numbers (which rings familiar).
One thing that I believe will work in our favor is that so much
of this team has been together for more than a year, maybe not
in games but on campus, in practice, etc. Meanwhile, St. John's
is very much a Frankenstein, albeit a very talented side. They
may still be figuring each other out.
Question 11: Might Nahar be a guy we can put in the corner to
space the floor and knock down threes – like a Kurt Steidl or
Everett Duncan from days of yore? It's part of the bigger
question: can we shoot? After many years in which we haven't,
that's a big one to answer. Now reading the Statesman story,
maybe he'll be a double digit minute kind of kid? I'm still
skeptical. We only have 200 minutes to work with.
I had the line at 17.5 to begin with – right on the KenPom
number – but have to think Vegas/bettors will take into account
the exhibition result and that they're without Dingle possibly.
Might it be even less than that? It would seem like a lot to ask
for us to go in and win, but taking everything into
consideration, it doesn't seem impossible. I think we're going
to be a top half CAA team, and with St. John's still a work in
progress, I feel like we're in it in the second half.
Either way, hoops is back. [emoji1360]
#Post#: 40914--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: at St. John's, 11/7 7pm
By: sbupatriots Date: October 30, 2023, 9:30 am
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Really excited for the opener. Feels rare to be going into the
season without any injuries? With that being said, what are
folks thoughts on what the starting 5 will look like?
PG: Clarke
SG: Noll
SF: TSM
PF: Snoddy
C: Fitz
First off the bench: Frey, Philip, Frederick, Maidoh?
Nice to have this depth although I'm sure we'll need all of it.
#Post#: 40915--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: at St. John's, 11/7 7pm
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 30, 2023, 10:06 am
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thanks checkie! great writeup.
am i reading that kenpom rating correct?!?!?!?!
one slight thought- i think we are just as frankenstein as SJU
but that's my opinion. im not at practice every day.
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Re: Game 1: at St. John's, 11/7 7pm
By: ecasadoSBU Date: October 30, 2023, 10:52 am
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To be facing Pitino at Opening Night adds extra excitement. I
hope we play competitively there.
Let's go Seawolves!
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Re: Game 1: at St. John's, 11/7 7pm
By: Checkmate Date: October 30, 2023, 11:42 am
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[quote author=sbupatriots link=topic=1044.msg40914#msg40914
date=1698676202]
Really excited for the opener. Feels rare to be going into the
season without any injuries? With that being said, what are
folks thoughts on what the starting 5 will look like?
PG: Clarke
SG: Noll
SF: TSM
PF: Snoddy
C: Fitz
First off the bench: Frey, Philip, Frederick, Maidoh?
Nice to have this depth although I'm sure we'll need all of it.
[/quote]
TO's gotta get some time too!
See what I mean about minutes though? Are we really going to run
10-11 deep? It's a luxury to have this many options, but Geno
will have to manage it well. I like your five, and then I think
my order/guess would be Frey, Maidoh, Philip, TO, Frederick,
Muratori, Nahar. Maybe Nahar needs to move up. Also, Frey may
shoot his way into the starting lineup too. Hope he's that good.
I'm also interested to see how Geno plays, or needs to play,
Maidoh. Are we big enough inside with Snoddy at the 4 and TSM at
the 3? I could also see Fitz, Maidoh, Snoddy/Philip, TSM, PG at
times.
As for us being Frankenstein, yes, I agree, but four of the five
projected starters above have been together for more than a
year, and add Frey, Philip, TO and others in there too. I
believe that time in the gym, on the road, on the bench, over
the summer all matters, and St. John's lacks that right now.
#Post#: 40924--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: at St. John's, 11/7 7pm
By: Knicksbu99 Date: October 31, 2023, 2:42 pm
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I thought Geno was a better in game coach last year than years
previous where he just tried to out talent teams. If that
carries over to this team which is veteran laden and hopefully
unselfish we will finish better than 9th. Vegas has us at
seventh best odds to win it. I think we can hang with St johns
even though they will certainly be on high alert after Pace. I
think a top 6 finish is possible curious how much run Nahar gets
I view him as a high ceiling player.
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Re: Game 1: at St. John's, 11/7 7pm
By: Chairman of the Board Date: October 31, 2023, 3:35 pm
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yep.
i say we keep it respectable for a half and the the johnnies
pull away.
#Post#: 40926--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: at St. John's, 11/7 7pm
By: steveoh Date: October 31, 2023, 6:21 pm
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I think if we or anyone were to upset St. John's (or just keep
it close), it's gonna happen at the very start of the season.
Once this team hits the Big East with a dozen games or so under
their belt, it's gonna be a beast.
#Post#: 40937--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: at St. John's, 11/7 7pm
By: Checkmate Date: November 1, 2023, 3:05 pm
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SI ranked all the teams in Division I. We're only one number off
of St. John's.
St. John's 23
Stony Brook 263
Former is high. Latter is low IMO.
#Post#: 40984--------------------------------------------------
Re: Game 1: at St. John's, 11/7 7pm
By: nyrfan1013 Date: November 5, 2023, 5:06 pm
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St. John’s opens as 16.5 point favorites vs Stony Brook
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