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       #Post#: 40687--------------------------------------------------
       Re: When is enough ENOUGH???
       By: Campi47 Date: October 8, 2023, 7:27 pm
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       My list is not my opinion but rather the information that I
       gather from what I receive from HS Coaches, All Star Teams from
       Newspapers, Coaches Associations of each section with their All
       Star Teams and going to two HS Games a week. As an example I
       will reach out to a HS Coach in August and ask him who are your
       top players I have that for all LI HS Public Schools Football
       Teams, CHSFL Teams, in addition I have contact information for
       all the PSAL Coaches. I then reach out to people from the other
       sections who cover HS Football.
       It’s a time consuming process that I share with College Coaches
       across FCS DII DIII. I don’t rank the players but as an example
       I will list the top 2024 players from let’s say Sayville, Floyd,
       etc. it’s up to the college coaches to use it as they deem fit.
       There are probably about 200 in NYS who have already committed
       for to a college for many different sports for the 2024 Class
       that are great athletes but will be playing a different sport in
       college.
       Anyone who wants to talk me about recruiting process you can DM
       me @LIBLITZ or you can Email me info@liblitz.com. I have been
       doing this for at least 20 years and I really enjoy it
       #Post#: 40720--------------------------------------------------
       Re: When is enough ENOUGH???
       By: OldSeawolf Date: October 15, 2023, 7:39 am
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       [quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=1033.msg40537#msg40537
       date=1695595872]
       [quote author=Unchained link=topic=1033.msg40529#msg40529
       date=1695572141]
       When is it going to come to a point where enough is enough?? The
       loses are mounting, moral is tanking and the raises and
       extensions just keep coming. This ENTIRE coaching staff has no
       care for this program, it's very apparent. Hatch is the most
       arrogant of them all. Players are going to be FLOODING the
       portal to get away from this school that has NO care for their
       future. They all feel and know they made a huge mistake by
       coming here.  This school is literally the poster child of a
       socialist society.  The athletic website is so outdated. The
       energy is so depleted it's a vacuum at this point. So when is
       enough, enough???
       [/quote]
       Its been enough for a long time. It just seems like the U has no
       interest in improving the quality of athletics. Its a freaking
       shame.
       A USNWR Top 58 National University and the State Flagship cannot
       figure out how to field a decent enough program to win at the
       CAA level
       FIRE COACH PRIORE!!!! FIRE HELBRON!!!!!! FIRE EVERYONE DARN IT!
       Start fresh!
       [/quote]
       I think you said it above......we're a Top 58 University now,
       and in the grand scheme of things that is what counts the most.
       And I do give credit to the President for this, since it has
       happened under her watch.
       That said, we ardent fans are dying here, and expect the same
       out of athletics.  The football program has plunged to the
       lowest depths in well over a decade.  The basketball program has
       gone from an NCAA berth to total mediocrity in less than a
       decade.   Of course, I'm talking about football and men's
       basketball, which are the biggest draws from a media
       perspective.  McIinnis showed no outward interest in sports
       since she got here, although we did jump to a more prestigious
       conference under her leadership.  With a better athletic
       management team and some better coaches, we could take that next
       jump to being a #40 University, IMO.  But allowing for the
       re-hiring of the same old, same old is not a way to achieve
       that.  Athletics can certainly be a stepping stone to achieving
       a more prominent University presence.
       All I can say is that I'm glad I didn't pay FloSports for the
       football season.   I will be though for basketball season, for
       which there is a glimmer of hope.  I feel for all of you
       football fans.
       #Post#: 40722--------------------------------------------------
       Re: When is enough ENOUGH???
       By: Unchained Date: October 15, 2023, 11:23 am
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       All I can say for the sake of the players future's is "Thank God
       for the transfer portal" Now not saying all will be grabbed up,
       but to stay on a ship that is clearly sinking to the abiss is by
       far the craziest decision any player can make at this point. Of
       course you will have players who are grad students have no
       choice to stay but watch the ones that can leave, this is gonna
       be a unprecedented IMO and NO ONE is going to want to transfer
       in or accept a position on their roster. This University is loud
       and clear on their message that they don't care about this
       program based on the acceptance of this programs coaching/staff
       performance.
       #Post#: 40724--------------------------------------------------
       Re: When is enough ENOUGH???
       By: guest441 Date: October 15, 2023, 12:21 pm
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       [quote author=OldSeawolf link=topic=1033.msg40720#msg40720
       date=1697373598]
       [quote author=ecasadoSBU link=topic=1033.msg40537#msg40537
       date=1695595872]
       [quote author=Unchained link=topic=1033.msg40529#msg40529
       date=1695572141]
       When is it going to come to a point where enough is enough?? The
       loses are mounting, moral is tanking and the raises and
       extensions just keep coming. This ENTIRE coaching staff has no
       care for this program, it's very apparent. Hatch is the most
       arrogant of them all. Players are going to be FLOODING the
       portal to get away from this school that has NO care for their
       future. They all feel and know they made a huge mistake by
       coming here.  This school is literally the poster child of a
       socialist society.  The athletic website is so outdated. The
       energy is so depleted it's a vacuum at this point. So when is
       enough, enough???
       [/quote]
       Its been enough for a long time. It just seems like the U has no
       interest in improving the quality of athletics. Its a freaking
       shame.
       A USNWR Top 58 National University and the State Flagship cannot
       figure out how to field a decent enough program to win at the
       CAA level
       FIRE COACH PRIORE!!!! FIRE HELBRON!!!!!! FIRE EVERYONE DARN IT!
       Start fresh!
       [/quote]
       I think you said it above......we're a Top 58 University now,
       and in the grand scheme of things that is what counts the most.
       And I do give credit to the President for this, since it has
       happened under her watch.
       That said, we ardent fans are dying here, and expect the same
       out of athletics.  The football program has plunged to the
       lowest depths in well over a decade.  The basketball program has
       gone from an NCAA berth to total mediocrity in less than a
       decade.   Of course, I'm talking about football and men's
       basketball, which are the biggest draws from a media
       perspective.  McIinnis showed no outward interest in sports
       since she got here, although we did jump to a more prestigious
       conference under her leadership.  With a better athletic
       management team and some better coaches, we could take that next
       jump to being a #40 University, IMO.  But allowing for the
       re-hiring of the same old, same old is not a way to achieve
       that.  Athletics can certainly be a stepping stone to achieving
       a more prominent University presence.
       All I can say is that I'm glad I didn't pay FloSports for the
       football season.   I will be though for basketball season, for
       which there is a glimmer of hope.  I feel for all of you
       football fans.
       [/quote]
       They didnt move to CAA under her leadership. We are hearing a
       deal was made where they arent getting any CAA revenue for years
       to cover the buy in because the CAA was desperate to add SB. No
       one is talking about it. Nobody cares anymore about SB sports.
       #Post#: 40727--------------------------------------------------
       Re: When is enough ENOUGH???
       By: Unchained Date: October 15, 2023, 2:29 pm
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       The one person who has always said it is Hammertime. Always said
       this place is the swamp of NYS and it truly is at the end of the
       day. The under the table deals, secrecy and good old boys club
       administration.
       #Post#: 40728--------------------------------------------------
       Re: When is enough ENOUGH???
       By: guest441 Date: October 15, 2023, 2:45 pm
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       [quote author=Unchained link=topic=1033.msg40727#msg40727
       date=1697398172]
       The one person who has always said it is Hammertime. Always said
       this place is the swamp of NYS and it truly is at the end of the
       day. The under the table deals, secrecy and good old boys club
       administration.
       [/quote]
       Where is Hammertime????
       #Post#: 40730--------------------------------------------------
       Re: When is enough ENOUGH???
       By: NJ Seawolf Date: October 15, 2023, 8:39 pm
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       When was Shawn Heilbron's last public comments about the
       football team? It's just empty statements on his blog without
       anything else of substance.
       He's going to start cheerleading for basketball soon- hopefully
       he can be called out for the sad state of football. Obviously I
       have much more hope for hoops than basketball but that program
       is still a far stretch from where it was at when Pikiell was
       around.
       #Post#: 40746--------------------------------------------------
       Re: When is enough ENOUGH???
       By: Unchained Date: October 17, 2023, 8:27 pm
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       [quote author=NJ Seawolf link=topic=1033.msg40730#msg40730
       date=1697420360]
       When was Shawn Heilbron's last public comments about the
       football team? It's just empty statements on his blog without
       anything else of substance.
       He's going to start cheerleading for basketball soon- hopefully
       he can be called out for the sad state of football. Obviously I
       have much more hope for hoops than basketball but that program
       is still a far stretch from where it was at when Pikiell was
       around.
       [/quote]
       Helibron is a shell of a man who commands NO respect. His career
       after Stonybrook might include water boy at a club league at
       most.
       #Post#: 40807--------------------------------------------------
       Re: When is enough ENOUGH???
       By: Unchained Date: October 21, 2023, 9:34 pm
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       Hmmm after tonight's loss at home coming?? Enough yet?? Lol
       #Post#: 40844--------------------------------------------------
       Re: When is enough ENOUGH???
       By: guest441 Date: October 24, 2023, 6:01 pm
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       [quote author=Unchained link=topic=1033.msg40807#msg40807
       date=1697942063]
       Hmmm after tonight's list at home coming?? Enough yet?? Lol
       [/quote]
       Not for the president and not for the AD.
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