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       #Post#: 9329--------------------------------------------------
       Re: DRF News and Events
   DIR By: Chris
       Date: August 21, 2019, 5:09 pm
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       Don't mistake Trump's comments for the opinions of the
       government of the United States, Abs.  Trump is not the
       government.  More and more he's becoming simply a figurehead; a
       figurehead that represents only part of the American populace
       and almost none of the government.  The US will never abandon
       its allies, despite Trump's ridiculous "tweets."  Denmark can
       rely on ALL its NATO partners for support, and the US, in
       particular, will continue to stand with Denmark and the rest of
       our European friends politically, economically, socially, and
       financially...despite the childish actions of a New York City
       real estate developer who has no knowledge or experience in
       government or international affairs.  People in the US never
       took Trump's idiotic "buy Greenland" tweets seriously.  We're
       laughing at him.  His refusal to visit Denmark embarrasses us
       but we hope the Danes will see it for what it really is:  a
       silly attempt to get even by a spoiled, school-yard bully.
       "That was surprising" was the perfect put-down by the Danish
       court.  It treats Trump and his entire buy Greenland/visit
       Denmark fiasco as a minor comedy.  Embarrassing for us, to be
       sure, but nothing to seriously worry about.
       #Post#: 9330--------------------------------------------------
       Re: DRF News and Events
   DIR By: ABS
       Date: August 22, 2019, 5:45 am
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       Thank you for your good post, Chris - for me though, this new
       development makes me very insecure about Denmarkīs position. I
       feel that we are defenseless.
       Russia very interested in the island where we have our holiday
       house, and now this with the US.
       I knew it would come to this, once the orange moron found out
       that Greenland is not for sale, I think I said so in a post
       earlier. He is so predictable.
       BTW. I forgot to give you the quote from the Danish court in
       itīs full. It was: "That was surprising. That is all we will say
       about this matter."
       #Post#: 9331--------------------------------------------------
       Re: DRF News and Events
   DIR By: Cara
       Date: August 22, 2019, 6:28 am
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       Unfortunately, I do not think that Trump is an idiot and I
       wished people would be more aware of how dangerous he is and how
       skilled he is in getting the media's and people's attention.
       Re. Greenland, while unlikely to happen, his idea is not that
       far-fetched at all. In the past, the US bought Alaska from the
       Russians and Louisiana from the French. The US also tried to buy
       Greenland twice in 1867 and 1946.
       They had a military base there and some kind of "airplane" hub.
       In the past fifteen years, the US started to withdraw from
       Greenland because they didn't see any big economic interest in
       staying... which opened the way to the Chinese who see some
       geo-political interest in having a foot in Greenland... which in
       turn doesn't suit the US who would like to set a foot back
       now... so it seems. I just hope he is not going to invade
       Greenland.
       Also Trump knows how to grasp headlines and dominate the media
       landscape. This comes at the detriment of the Democrats who are
       launching their primaries, not that I think that the democrats
       stand any chance against Trump.
       A part of me is counting the days until his presidency is over
       and another part of me fears what can happen in the next 5
       years. I feel that the hardliners that support Trump are not
       willing to give up the power. I hope the US institutions are
       strong enough and that the "grey men" in the White House will
       prevail.
       #Post#: 9332--------------------------------------------------
       Re: DRF News and Events
   DIR By: ABS
       Date: August 22, 2019, 7:10 am
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       There is an alt-right movement in the US, in parts of South
       America and in Europe.
       They are growing stronger by the day, very much helped and
       legitimized by the rhetorics and actions of Donald Trump.
       I am totally afraid too of what will happen in the next few
       years.
       I do see Trump as a very dangerous person, he is very skilled at
       manipulating and distracting the people and the press. I think
       he will vin in 2020 - the democrats donīt have strong candidates
       at all.
       #Post#: 9333--------------------------------------------------
       Re: DRF News and Events
   DIR By: Cara
       Date: August 22, 2019, 8:13 am
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       usually, the outgoing president of the united states wins his
       second mandate. there are very few cases where it did not
       happen. among the recent ones, george bush (the father) lost his
       second bid but you can claim that his election was the
       equivalent of a third mandate for ronald reagan, so it was time
       for a change. other than that, in the last 30 years they all did
       two terms.
       the democrats need to think really hard at how they want to
       profile themselves and at how they are going to attract voters.
       it was a time where you had to "play in the centre", to get the
       swing voters, those that would vote left or right. but these
       days seem to be gone. the political landscape has hardened and
       it seems the outer edges (the extremists) have a say, which in
       my opinion makes it much harder to find the right message.
       getting the right message out is not that easy to do. george w.
       bush and trump were laughed at because they sounded very
       simplistic if not stupid, but it's exactly that that got them
       close to the public. their message was clear, understandable and
       easy for people to identify with. their opponents tried to look
       too smart and/or lived in their little bubble, and eventually
       lost the interest of the public.
       also, the democratic party these days has too many currents.
       bernie sands voters are not the same as clinton or obama voters.
       i feel it's partly because of that, that clinton eventually
       lost. bernie sanders came on board far too late. at some point,
       if you want to win, you have to rally around the one that
       carries the torch. the republicans did that for trump, even
       those that didn't like him.
       we also face something similar in europe. the traditional
       parties are failing. the political lines harden. just look at
       france. the socialist party has been destroyed. the traditional
       right parties as well. the political landscape is fractured,
       with too many parties, which gives extremist parties their
       chance to grab the power. look at the UK, with the brexiters.
       talk about something that started like a big joke and where it
       ended.
       by the way, did you know that gloria von thurn and taxis is very
       close to steve bannon? we have not yet seen the end of that here
       in europe either.
       #Post#: 9334--------------------------------------------------
       Re: DRF News and Events
   DIR By: ABS
       Date: August 22, 2019, 10:33 am
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       No, had no idea about Gloria von Turn und Taxis and Bannon. I
       don`t know who she is even. Just googled her. Bannon is a
       busybody here in Europe, that I know. Stay away, pls, Mr.!
       Another thing, imagine how the Greenlanders feel now about Trump
       just proclaiming he wants to buy their country and subsequently
       their fear he might just take it!!!!
       #Post#: 9335--------------------------------------------------
       Re: DRF News and Events
   DIR By: Chris
       Date: August 22, 2019, 4:44 pm
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       --- Quote from: ABS link ---
       >
       > ...this new development makes me very insecure about Denmarkīs
       position. I feel that we are defenseless....
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       The reason NATO was started, and the reason it continues to this
       day, was to defend countries like Denmark in times of danger.  I
       say again, the US  and NATO will never abandon their European
       allies.  Denmark is not defenseless so long as NATO continues as
       a viable force.  But...the sooner we can get Trump out of the
       White House, the better off the US and the world will be.  I
       agree with Cara, however, that the Democrats have got to come up
       with a better candidate than those who are presently running in
       order to dump Trump.  Otherwise, it will be four more years of
       Looney Toons.
       #Post#: 9336--------------------------------------------------
       Re: DRF News and Events
   DIR By: ABS
       Date: August 22, 2019, 5:21 pm
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       Chris, I know sooo well what NATO is! I come from a country
       which has no military, we are a 100% dependent on NATO. :)
       Personally I think that Trump will be reelected, and Europe
       needs to rethink alliences and military strategies. Trump`s goal
       is to crush us - serve us on a silver platter to Russia maybe?.
       We cannot trust him.
       Brexit is the beginning of the dissolvement of the European
       Union.
       Steve Bannon has had a big influence on that. There are the
       cyber manipulation of people. The alt right is working overtime
       on the internet and are very well organized. There will be big
       changes.
       #Post#: 9337--------------------------------------------------
       Re: DRF News and Events
   DIR By: ABS
       Date: August 23, 2019, 11:52 am
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       #Post#: 9341--------------------------------------------------
       Re: DRF News and Events
   DIR By: ABS
       Date: August 26, 2019, 3:43 pm
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       A funny little thing. Saw this rag mag in a supermarket. Sorry
       it is so blurry! It says: Trump in Denmark (well, he ainīt
       coming, dooooh!) - and, Mary and Melaniaīs secret plan. The
       large white letters say: We stand together.
       Just funny they didnīt even stop their BS "story".
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