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       #Post#: 11314--------------------------------------------------
       Moult
   DIR By: chesley l warren
       Date: July 13, 2012, 8:49 pm
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       What times or time of year will pigeons moult? Seems like some
       of mine loose feathers  year round. My oldest birds probably 18
       months old. These are not rubys, but I do have 3 pair of rubys
       {breeders} but havent seen any loss of feathers. Also when will
       mr & mrs cooper come back to south ga? Be my luck that my Rubys
       will start kickin out some shore 'nuff eggs 'bout that time, but
       Ill have to hold back the Rubys, and fly my hodge podge birds,
       and see what I can draw from that :-\  I have more questions but
       I'll wait for another  time!! thanks '' chesley
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       Re: Moult
   DIR By: slvrollers
       Date: July 14, 2012, 8:58 am
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       The moult  for my birds begins around September and the Coppers
       returns around late October. I live in Southern Colorado it
       could be later for the deep south.
       #Post#: 11318--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Moult
   DIR By: chesley l warren
       Date: July 14, 2012, 9:50 am
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       Thanks for reply slvrollers. One of my other questions is feed.
       Someone might explain how protiean, carbs, and all that is
       measured. I'm guessing 12% bag of  wheat add to 12% something
       else is still 12%, so how does it add up if its less? I'm not up
       to simplicity sometimes. Not a trick question, I just dont know
       about balancing or preparing a self made diet or the like. Yes I
       know , go buy store bought mix!! Thats not my question! ???
       #Post#: 11320--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Moult
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: July 14, 2012, 10:42 am
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       Chesley, Try this grain calculator to figure any home mix.
  HTML http://www.gurnay.co.uk/
  HTML http://www.gurnay.co.uk/
       Look under Free "Pigeon Software"
       Take care
       Thom
       #Post#: 11321--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Moult
   DIR By: wishiwon2
       Date: July 14, 2012, 2:25 pm
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       --- Quote from: chesley l warren link ---
       >
       > What times or time of year will pigeons moult? Seems like some
       of mine loose feathers  year round. My oldest birds probably 18
       months old. These are not rubys, but I do have 3 pair of rubys
       {breeders} but havent seen any loss of feathers. Also when will
       mr & mrs cooper come back to south ga? Be my luck that my Rubys
       will start kickin out some shore 'nuff eggs 'bout that time, but
       Ill have to hold back the Rubys, and fly my hodge podge birds,
       and see what I can draw from that :-\  I have more questions but
       I'll wait for another  time!! thanks '' chesley
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Pigeons may moult much of the year, but that isn't normal.
       Starting about now, adult pigeons will start shedding flight and
       tail feathers. They will shed and re-grow from inside out.
       Meaning the innermost primary and secondary flights first. If
       they are working (feeding babies, flying hard in a kit) the rate
       of moult will slow or delay. Much of their body and head moult
       will happen late summer early fall. Parent birds feeding babies
       will delay moult until one day they seemingly fall apart in your
       hand.
       
       Photoperiod is the primary control of moult. Secondarily is
       nutrition and body condition. You can trick birds into moulting
       at different times of the year by lighting or darkening thier
       living space. Search these terms on racing pigeon sites and find
       better explanations. Birds that are nutritionally stressed, will
       postpone or forgo a full moult. Young that are hatched late in
       the summer or fall may moult throughout the winter or not at all
       as a young bird. All birds when moulting heavily need more and
       better nutrition. It is a physical stress for them. Their immune
       systems are weakened by energy expense of producing and rearing
       young coupled with growing an entire new set of feathers. Any
       pathogen or disease that comes along, they will be more
       susceptible to. I try to be done rearing young by mid August at
       latest, this will be my last round of production now.
       #Post#: 11323--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Moult and feed % s etc
   DIR By: chesley l warren
       Date: July 14, 2012, 3:46 pm
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       Thanks for the webb site  ole fart! thanks to wishiwon2 and to
       slv rollers. I knew some of you would put me in the right lane.
       The moult etc is rough on a bird seems like. I will absorb the
       webb site on gurnay when I get some of these Saturday honey do's
       out dthe way. Done had to mow grass,take off terash,garbage.
       This crap interfears with prime pigeon time. Thanks guys.
       chesley
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