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       Early Rolling Ruby
   DIR By: slvrollers
       Date: June 19, 2012, 4:23 pm
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       I started flagging up a kit of Ruby Rollers thirty days ago and
       one bird is rolling already. They are kitting very well. It
       seams like this bird rolling is to young to be rolling already.
       It is only 11 weeks old. It is rolling single rolls and seams to
       have it under control for now. I have never had a bird start
       rolling this early. I was wondering what your experiences have
       been with birds that start rolling this early. In the past they
       have started around 5 months old.
       #Post#: 11226--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Early Rolling Ruby
   DIR By: Tony Chavarria
       Date: June 19, 2012, 4:37 pm
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       Hi Mike, I have found that the ones that start out with fast
       single flips turn out to be some of the best. Keep watching it.
       Before you know it it will start next with adding some depth.
       You will also notice the velocity will be pretty good as well.
       Good luck with the bird!  ;D
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       Re: Early Rolling Ruby
   DIR By: slvrollers
       Date: June 19, 2012, 4:56 pm
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       Thanks Tony  That's good to hear!!!!  I was thinking just the
       opposite. The babies from the Ruby's you sold me are some of the
       best kitting birds i have seen. Nice and tight kitting and only
       took a week to get them to kit. Also no lazy birds at all in
       this round.  Can't wait to see them all rolling.  I really like
       the Ruby's!!!!!
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       Re: Early Rolling Ruby
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: June 21, 2012, 8:43 am
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       Hey Mike, My Ruby's generally start around four to five months
       but there is the rarer bird that will come in at three months.
       Seek out birds that ether start by flipping or short continuous
       rolling. Wing clapping and tail riding while still usable and
       can develope into good birds are less desireable in my mind. At
       this stage kitting is my main consideration, any bird that does
       not kit no matter how good will not be used.
       Take care
       Thom
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       Re: Early Rolling Ruby
   DIR By: slvrollers
       Date: June 21, 2012, 11:52 am
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       Thanks Thom
       My Ruby's are kitting better then any other kit i have been
       around ;D . I do have some that are tail riding, I will keep my
       eye on them and hope for the best. I appreciate your input
       thanks.
       #Post#: 11234--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Early Rolling Ruby
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: June 21, 2012, 2:13 pm
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       Hey Mike, I did not mean that any bird that starts out tail
       riding is a bad bird. I was trying to say, look for the bird
       that starts out with a flip or more revolutions, they are some
       of the best. BUT, they also can become some of the worst, if
       they do not learn control quickly.
       The best of luck!
       Take care my friend
       Thom
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       Re: Early Rolling Ruby
   DIR By: slvrollers
       Date: June 21, 2012, 3:32 pm
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       Thanks Thom
       I understood what you meant about tail riding birds. Most of my
       birds from my other family started out tail riding a little
       before the actual rolled the first time and some turned out to
       be my best birds. This is my first kit of baby Ruby's that i
       have flown so i am new to their development stages.  Sorry if my
       last post was confusing. I always appreciate your input. Thanks
       again.
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       Re: Early Rolling Ruby
   DIR By: Ron B
       Date: July 15, 2012, 12:15 pm
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       Hey Thom, I ageee totally with you. With one exception, I have
       #ruby-08-mo-065 that I bought from Tony. I flew him two years
       and now is my foundation cock. I have two witnesses his very
       first roll was 30ft follwed by a forty footer that all but
       brushed the ground. I know everyone is saying ROLLDOWN. But over
       the next two years has  developed in to a varying depth
       roller.He can hit 40 when the kit is up around 300 feet but when
       he is below 75-100 ft he shortens up to 10 feet. When landing he
       does single flips. I breed him in 09 and put him back in the
       kit. Same thing in 2010. I stocked him in 2011. Results every
       Ruby in my A team is either a son or daughter or garnd child of
       his. Tony Thanks.
       
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       Re: Early Rolling Ruby
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: July 15, 2012, 3:28 pm
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       Hey Ron, I hope all has been well with you!!! I don't think we
       are in disagreement. If they survive that brush then they can
       learn but if they hit something hard it is a done deal! :)
       Take care my good friend
       Thom
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