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       #Post#: 11135--------------------------------------------------
       A Clean Loft
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: June 5, 2012, 5:15 am
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       A Clean Loft
       Across the United States, ordinances are passing that control
       the keeping of pigeons. Some cities require
       a yearly license, levy fines and deny individuals from keeping
       pigeons for small infractions. A
       strict code including health inspections with requirements for
       cleanliness, housing design and feed
       storage, even limitations on the allowable number of birds any
       individual may keep or fly are commonplace.
       Fanciers fortunate enough to live in the country are relatively
       safe but still might fall
       within the domain of counties with restrictions. Can we as
       individuals prevent such legislation? I do
       not know, but we might be able to curtail the severity of such
       restrictions. A clean smell free loft
       would go a long way toward avoiding unwanted attention and
       provide a healthier environment for
       our birds and us as keepers. Pigeon Fanciers Lung caused by
       pigeon droppings and pigeon bloom is a
       constant threat that forces many to give up their birds. Avoid
       bloom by wearing a quality mask is my
       advice but most fanciers, especially the very young and the old
       farts like me simply will not. I try for
       a short while, but then regress back into my old familiar ways.
       I believe breathing their own dust or
       bloom is also bad for our birds and simple cleaning techniques
       can minimize this risk. The old guard
       will argue that, squeaky-clean will compromise immunities but
       this can be overcome if a communal
       water vessel is used.
       Among the many considerations in the design of a modern day loft
       ease of cleaning and proper ventilation
       should be primary. Floor dressings, perch styles and the number
       of birds housed all contribute
       to the difficulty faced when we clean. I do not intend to
       explain how to scrape pigeon poop! Besides,
       it is when, not how. Simply, the more you scrape the better off
       you are and not allowing the task to
       become insurmountable is the point. Tools can be expensive but
       once obtained will last indefinitely if
       properly maintained.
       The inclusion of a canister style vacuum will remove the bloom
       through suction and keep the dust
       from becoming airborne. I use a forty-gallon shop vacuum that
       has a foam filter, which protects the
       motor, and an insert-able drywall bag that traps any dust. Ask
       ten fanciers what they use for a floor
       dressing and you will get as many answers. Through trial and
       error, I have settled on sterilized play
       sand as the most practical. When sand is cleaned regularly, it
       traps moister, does not hold odors, or
       blow around, sand is cheap and is easily obtained from any major
       home improvement center. Cleaning
       is a simple process of passing the dirty sand through a large
       kitchen sieve and redistributing the
       cleaned sand evenly across the floor. Whichever floor dressing
       you chose a regular cleaning would
       curtail nightly visits from disease carrying vermin who raid
       nests and sicken our birds.
       Perch styles are many and varied from elaborate to simple. Some
       are hard to clean and expensive to
       make or purchase. The simplistic two by four perch is quick to
       construct and easy to clean. The design
       allows eight to ten perches from a single eight foot two by
       four. Cut five to seven inches long it
       has forty-five degree downward angles on each end and cleaning
       requires only a few swipes with a
       four-inch putty knife. I mount a walls worth on a plywood board
       that fits the area and bird requirements.
       Only knurly die-hard pigeon people think of poop smears as
       badges of dedication. While the
       majority of our visitor’s think of pigeons as flying rats, nasty
       and odorous! I would not want to eat
       from my loft floor but my grandchildren happily search for
       feathers and my daughter only complains
       on Easter. Each of us must decide how to manage his or her loft
       but I urge everyone to consider, clean.
       Take Care my Friends
       Thom
       #Post#: 11136--------------------------------------------------
       Re: A Clean Loft
   DIR By: windjammer loft
       Date: June 5, 2012, 8:53 am
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       I for one think that "Big Brother" is infringing way to much in
       OUR personal lives.  For God's sake, I am a grown man,  (64 yr)
       I don't need some intellectual idiot,  some snot noise kid, wet
       behind the ears or a group of "bleeding hearts"  to be telling
       ME what is "GOOD" or "NOT" good for me,  or what I "should" or
       "should not" be doing  in my life......  I have made it this far
       in life "ALL" by my own "thinking".. and guidance from GOD....
       Enough is Enough........  I am glad that  I am "AMERICAN" and
       still have  the "RIGHT" to make my own decisions still..... God
       Bless ...AMERICA..
       Oh yes, by the way, I do clean my loft once a week and throw my
       dirty clothes  in the laundry basket without being told
       to...haha
       #Post#: 11137--------------------------------------------------
       Re: A Clean Loft
   DIR By: slvrollers
       Date: June 5, 2012, 1:05 pm
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       God Bless I live were their are no rules against keeping
       pigeons. I would not be very happy about some city our county
       official sticking their nose in were it does not belong. I agree
       with keeping your loft clean for your birds and your health. I
       clean my loft every morning while birds are flying our in fly
       pen. Takes about 20 minutes a day. Poop goes to the garbage
       every day in a sealed bag.  I do use a mask every time i go in
       the lofts even if i am not cleaning. I am lucky I work at home
       so its not a big deal to get out their for a couple of hours
       every morning to fly, clean and then feed. If you ask me the
       commercial farms and  are way worst then any pigeon lofts i have
       been to. Most fanciers take pride in their lofts.  I have a
       neighbor who has a dog as big as a bear and all i smell when i
       go to my loft is dog crap. Wish he cleaned like i do. We need to
       get pigeon lovers in our local and county offices and get some
       of the smelly people out of office who come up with these kind
       of rules and regulations.
       #Post#: 11138--------------------------------------------------
       Re: A Clean Loft
   DIR By: nephilim
       Date: June 5, 2012, 5:40 pm
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       Hey all. You would think with all that goes on in each and every
       place of officaldom, they would be to busy to take a look inside
       the pigeon lofts coops and sheds all over the country! But
       someone somewhere has had a pigeon poop on their clean washing,
       and decided to take it out on everyone. A few years ago a racing
       friend of mine was having trouble with the folks round his place
       so much so, they reported him to enviromental health!!! An
       official came out to inspect his loft/coop, and after they had
       put on the white all in one suit and the white boots, they
       entered his loft! We all sat around in the garden enjoying a
       cold beer and waited for the outcome. After 10 mins the
       inspector came out and asked my friend to follow him away from
       the group. He reappeared few seconds later with a Bull*hit
       certificate and said in a loud voice my loft is all clear. In
       fact what the inspector had told him, was that his loft was
       cleaner then those who had complained and was cleaner than 95%
       of the places he visited during his working day. I clean my
       birds out daily, scrub the floor once a week and clean the food
       trough and drinkers every other day. It's hard enough keeping
       the vermin out and other problems like raptors and the odd cat.
       But the biggest problem is keeping those living around you
       happy. I doubt anything will come of it, as already stated who
       can tell who how to live their lives. It makes me feel all warm
       inside to know you have the same problems as we do over here.
       keep them spinning and F*w I say.
       #Post#: 11141--------------------------------------------------
       Re: A Clean Loft
   DIR By: chesley l warren
       Date: June 5, 2012, 11:12 pm
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       I also agree. Clean lofts. Clean water jugs.Clean feed. Clean
       every thing. I do all the above, still had a juvinile get
       canker, bet u cant spell like me!! I bought meds to cure the
       bird, and cured it. Tweeks after that he started tree sittin,
       caught me wrong one morning and then another joined him about
       8'' apart, I seperated them further with some bird spacers. its
       called culling. Now i got a spray bottle, mix half bleach and
       half water, spray water jugs inside and out, rinse and refill
       with water and vinegare scrub outside jugs too. I hate messy
       water feeders etc.I like the sand floors altho i dont have
       it,but i did build a box to hold  some sand about 2'x3' with 2''
       sides. put play sand in that , feed them on that and cover the
       top with 1/4 '' plywood as soon as they finish eating. That can
       be cleaned also. Did ya ever buy meds to cure a bird and loose
       him to lead posion, not to mention the cost of meds,feed,time,
       and the dadblame bird?  I cleaned up but I think I'll have a
       little more patience next time. These birds were not good
       breeds, I wouldn"t do that to my rubys!  Oh well some humer!
       Every one have a good day,enjoy the moment.   chesley
       #Post#: 11142--------------------------------------------------
       Re: A Clean Loft
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: June 7, 2012, 5:13 am
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       Thanks to everyone who responded and to those who just read.
       Take care my friends
       Thom
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