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       #Post#: 10957--------------------------------------------------
       Personality Roller That Is
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: April 21, 2012, 8:02 am
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       Is personality a breeadable trait? As an example, you have two
       cock's from the same linage one is aggressive, one is not. Can
       the non-aggressive bird produce it's like? Will performance
       suffer in the meeker birds progeny?
       Take care my friends
       Thom
       #Post#: 10959--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Personality Roller That Is
   DIR By: Tony Chavarria
       Date: April 21, 2012, 8:57 am
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       Hi Thom, in my mind, a better term would be “disposition”.
       My view is that disposition is inheritable and so it IS a trait
       that can be bred intentionally. Will a calmer disposition bird
       be less of a good spinner than a bird that is more aggressive? I
       don’t think one trait necessarily follows the other:
       Non-aggressive = Lesser Performance
       Aggressive = Increased Performance
       The way I understand it, each trait stands on its own merits.
       Now I think an experienced fancier who has extensive time
       invested into a stock of rollers can recognize and evaluate
       those subtle and not so subtle traits that mesh into patterns
       that he recognizes as indicative of quality or lack of in an
       individual bird. Find and recognize associations of traits,
       which create patterns that, can be gainfully exploited. This
       might be interpreted as what is called “stock sense”.
       So, saying all that, if a fancier decides that he likes a bird
       with an aggressive disposition, and combines that with proper
       rolling performance then he will find a preponderance of that in
       his loft over time. If on the other hand, he breeds
       non-aggressive birds with proper rolling performance, he will
       find that type of bird in preponderance in his loft.
       What is critical to understand is the fancier needs to be
       experienced in his stock and its vast array of possible genetic
       variability’s. This only comes with years of breeding hundreds
       or thousands of pigeons from a single gene pool like I have done
       with my stock. However, these birds can always show you
       something new that provides more clues or not…
       #Post#: 10963--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Personality Roller That Is
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: April 21, 2012, 10:53 am
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       Hey Tony, I will trade words and agree on "disposition" I also
       believe there is no coralation between performance and
       "disposition" in a bird. I personally do not like aggressive
       birds and expecially not aggressive cocks. I think they disrupt
       kit dynamics in trying to become the leader. I also do not like
       a cock that beats the hen into submission during mating. I find
       they often abandon the nest or break eggs, evening stomping
       squabs in the process. I tend to breed away from this type.
       Take care my friend
       Thom
       #Post#: 10968--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Personality Roller That Is
   DIR By: wishiwon2
       Date: April 21, 2012, 5:39 pm
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       Thom,
       I dont pay alot of attention to disposition in my birds. In fact
       I only notice it in the extreme. I disagree with you in that I
       believe there is a correlation between performance and
       disposition, maybe not a quality of spin relation, but a
       relation non-the-less.
       
       It has been my experience that birds with a wild manner in the
       kitbox and loft
       (vs a calm mild demeanor), are also birds that tend to fly
       faster on the wing and are prone to high flying. They are the
       ones that have a strong constitution or as is often called
       character. Whereas birds that are calm and tranquil more often
       are the same lines that fly slower, lower and it could be said
       of them to show a softer character.
       
       I dont believe this is a cause and effect relationship. In other
       words, wild disposition doesnt cause high flying, calm nature
       doesnt cause slow flight. It is just some thing I have noticed
       over the years to be associated or correlative together. As far
       as aggression or pacificity, I have not observed a trend. Again,
       'disposition' isnt something I make note of, except in extreme
       manifestations.
       
       Jon
       #Post#: 10971--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Personality Roller That Is
   DIR By: donnie james
       Date: April 21, 2012, 7:39 pm
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       hay thom,
       the more i think about the one isn't aggrevisse would reproduce
       its i had a deroy cock was aggveisse in the fly box and then i
       put him in the breeding he wasn't aggveisse in the breeding pen
       maybe i didn't give him enough time he was in breeding pen about
       week and1/2 before i gave my birds away...............
       .......donnie james
       #Post#: 10973--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Personality Roller That Is
   DIR By: 2y4life
       Date: April 21, 2012, 9:12 pm
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       I agree with Jon. Correlation isn't causation and I don't think
       how tame or wild a bird is will necessarily cause it to fly
       higher, lower, faster, or slower but that's just my opinion.
       #Post#: 10974--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Personality Roller That Is
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: April 22, 2012, 5:25 am
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       Hey Jon, I will try to be a little clearer with my thought. I do
       not think a calm bird will perform better then an aggressive
       bird on an individual basis. However I do think an overly
       aggressive bird will disrupt the kit. They tend to fly high, out
       fly ( fly out of the kit ) rejoin the kit in the front in an
       attempt to lead. I say lead because they try to change the
       direction the kit is headed when the come back into the kit.
       When not flying but in the kit box an overly aggressive bird is
       a constant disruption, fighting for perches, guarding the water
       fount, driving less aggressive birds... I have a walk in kit box
       and spend time in with the birds so for me an overly aggressive
       bird is just a pain. It probably is a matter of preference and I
       just like a calmer bird.
       Take care my friend
       Thom
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