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#Post#: 10957--------------------------------------------------
Personality Roller That Is
DIR By: oldfart
Date: April 21, 2012, 8:02 am
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Is personality a breeadable trait? As an example, you have two
cock's from the same linage one is aggressive, one is not. Can
the non-aggressive bird produce it's like? Will performance
suffer in the meeker birds progeny?
Take care my friends
Thom
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Re: Personality Roller That Is
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: April 21, 2012, 8:57 am
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Hi Thom, in my mind, a better term would be “disposition”.
My view is that disposition is inheritable and so it IS a trait
that can be bred intentionally. Will a calmer disposition bird
be less of a good spinner than a bird that is more aggressive? I
don’t think one trait necessarily follows the other:
Non-aggressive = Lesser Performance
Aggressive = Increased Performance
The way I understand it, each trait stands on its own merits.
Now I think an experienced fancier who has extensive time
invested into a stock of rollers can recognize and evaluate
those subtle and not so subtle traits that mesh into patterns
that he recognizes as indicative of quality or lack of in an
individual bird. Find and recognize associations of traits,
which create patterns that, can be gainfully exploited. This
might be interpreted as what is called “stock sense”.
So, saying all that, if a fancier decides that he likes a bird
with an aggressive disposition, and combines that with proper
rolling performance then he will find a preponderance of that in
his loft over time. If on the other hand, he breeds
non-aggressive birds with proper rolling performance, he will
find that type of bird in preponderance in his loft.
What is critical to understand is the fancier needs to be
experienced in his stock and its vast array of possible genetic
variability’s. This only comes with years of breeding hundreds
or thousands of pigeons from a single gene pool like I have done
with my stock. However, these birds can always show you
something new that provides more clues or not…
#Post#: 10963--------------------------------------------------
Re: Personality Roller That Is
DIR By: oldfart
Date: April 21, 2012, 10:53 am
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Hey Tony, I will trade words and agree on "disposition" I also
believe there is no coralation between performance and
"disposition" in a bird. I personally do not like aggressive
birds and expecially not aggressive cocks. I think they disrupt
kit dynamics in trying to become the leader. I also do not like
a cock that beats the hen into submission during mating. I find
they often abandon the nest or break eggs, evening stomping
squabs in the process. I tend to breed away from this type.
Take care my friend
Thom
#Post#: 10968--------------------------------------------------
Re: Personality Roller That Is
DIR By: wishiwon2
Date: April 21, 2012, 5:39 pm
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Thom,
I dont pay alot of attention to disposition in my birds. In fact
I only notice it in the extreme. I disagree with you in that I
believe there is a correlation between performance and
disposition, maybe not a quality of spin relation, but a
relation non-the-less.
It has been my experience that birds with a wild manner in the
kitbox and loft
(vs a calm mild demeanor), are also birds that tend to fly
faster on the wing and are prone to high flying. They are the
ones that have a strong constitution or as is often called
character. Whereas birds that are calm and tranquil more often
are the same lines that fly slower, lower and it could be said
of them to show a softer character.
I dont believe this is a cause and effect relationship. In other
words, wild disposition doesnt cause high flying, calm nature
doesnt cause slow flight. It is just some thing I have noticed
over the years to be associated or correlative together. As far
as aggression or pacificity, I have not observed a trend. Again,
'disposition' isnt something I make note of, except in extreme
manifestations.
Jon
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Re: Personality Roller That Is
DIR By: donnie james
Date: April 21, 2012, 7:39 pm
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hay thom,
the more i think about the one isn't aggrevisse would reproduce
its i had a deroy cock was aggveisse in the fly box and then i
put him in the breeding he wasn't aggveisse in the breeding pen
maybe i didn't give him enough time he was in breeding pen about
week and1/2 before i gave my birds away...............
.......donnie james
#Post#: 10973--------------------------------------------------
Re: Personality Roller That Is
DIR By: 2y4life
Date: April 21, 2012, 9:12 pm
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I agree with Jon. Correlation isn't causation and I don't think
how tame or wild a bird is will necessarily cause it to fly
higher, lower, faster, or slower but that's just my opinion.
#Post#: 10974--------------------------------------------------
Re: Personality Roller That Is
DIR By: oldfart
Date: April 22, 2012, 5:25 am
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Hey Jon, I will try to be a little clearer with my thought. I do
not think a calm bird will perform better then an aggressive
bird on an individual basis. However I do think an overly
aggressive bird will disrupt the kit. They tend to fly high, out
fly ( fly out of the kit ) rejoin the kit in the front in an
attempt to lead. I say lead because they try to change the
direction the kit is headed when the come back into the kit.
When not flying but in the kit box an overly aggressive bird is
a constant disruption, fighting for perches, guarding the water
fount, driving less aggressive birds... I have a walk in kit box
and spend time in with the birds so for me an overly aggressive
bird is just a pain. It probably is a matter of preference and I
just like a calmer bird.
Take care my friend
Thom
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