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Re: Hen Has Paratyphoid
DIR By: nephilim
Date: March 4, 2012, 8:08 pm
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Hi Johnnie.
Could be para/sallma. Do you have any deep
litter in your loft/coop? I ask, because if you have straw, and
it's gotten damp at some point before you've put it in your bird
shed, as it dries it releases spores that will be deadly to your
birds. You'll get similar symptoms to both paramxyo and
paratyphoid such as twisting necks can't fly to perch falling
over, as with para all young will die and the eggs of the birds
will go black, also the parents will abandon the chicks like
they do when the red mite is feeding of the youngsters. A couple
of years ago a good roller flyer and racing pigeon friend of
mine had all these syptoms in his loft/coop short of it. It
killed an entire round of young including a few yearlings that
had been put to stock!!! He treated just a few birds of value
and culled the rest. All birds survived that was treated and had
no side effects, his favourite hen got the illness before he
could treat, but with putting her seperate and carefull looking
after she was ok after ten days or so. I took his advice and I
wash my loft out every other day, scrubbing the floor and boxes
with virkon S you might find it on a well known auction site and
I also use a vinager household cleaning spray or a lime and
vinager household spray, both have brand names, but I don't know
or have read the posting rules about naming brands etc, so it's
up to you to guess the brands. I spray all my perches with them
and just leave them to dry out natuarlly. I use the household
cleaning sprays as they are acidic and will help some way to
kill the any germs. keeping your birds home as spotlessly clean
as you can, will go a long way to help keep them health. Hope
I've been helpfull keep them spinning Gary
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Re: Hen Has Paratyphoid
DIR By: slvrollers
Date: March 5, 2012, 3:17 pm
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Hi nephilim
Hey i was just wondering if you clean your loft spotless, will
the young birds be able to build their natural immunity? I was
told by an old timer who has been flying for 40 years to just
scrape the boxes,perches, floors every day and not to clean that
well to let the young birds build up natural immunity. I do
clean feeders and water containers every day. In ten years i
have had only one case of paratyphoid and that was my fault. I
had left a feeder out over night with feed because i had to
leave for a day and a mouse got into the feeder. I did lose a
few birds. He also told me that once your birds have had
Paratyphoid that they are immune for three to five years. Does
anyone know if that's true? I really like this forum, because
its a great place to get diffident advise from good fliers.
Thank Tony for a great site!!!!
Thanks Mike F
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Re: Hen Has Paratyphoid
DIR By: nephilim
Date: March 6, 2012, 6:37 am
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Hey Mike.
I scrape my perches daily, spray them 3times
aweek, I scrape the floor every other day and spray the floor
afterwards. Once a week mostly sundays I get down on my knees
and scrub the floor after cleaning out with a solution of water
and a product from over here called virkonS, which you may get
from a well known auction site, or have a similar product over
there. With my nestboxes, at the begginning of the breeding
season I place a suitable sized newspaper on the box floor, then
when have young in the nest, just lift a few pages out at a
time. I also obtain some beermats, again available from same
well known auction site, I soak these for a day or so in
creasote, then leave them to dry, before placing one under each
nest bowl. It keeps the red mite and feather mite away!(It's an
old trick my dad used to do when he kept pigeons) it's cheap
and effective. The old timer maybe right, or just to lazy to
keep it clean? As I stated in an earlier thread I posted. We are
the God of our loft/coop and it's therefore up to use how our
birds are kept. I think the young will be fine, they surely get
some immune from their parents, and when you let them out,
they're gonna mix with wild birds. I've sat in the garden of
some of the old racing guys and through mid sentance they've
gotten up with scrapper in hand, and just give the perch a
little clean!! After all would you keep a clean house and a
dirty kitchen??? All the best my friend keep them spinning.
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Re: Hen Has Paratyphoid
DIR By: slvrollers
Date: March 6, 2012, 9:49 am
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Hi Nephilim
Thanks for the info!! You have a lot of good advice and i
appreciate you taking the time to write back.
Thanks Mike F
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Re: Hen Has Paratyphoid
DIR By: scott70
Date: March 6, 2012, 10:22 am
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nephilim post some pics of your loft I would love to see them I
am finishing up my new loft now and love new I deas your sounds
very easy to clean
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Re: Hen Has Paratyphoid
DIR By: nephilim
Date: March 7, 2012, 6:18 am
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Hey Mike and Scott.
I'll try and put some pics of my
loft/coop up at some point, but i'm not that good with computors
etc!! Ha Ha. Glad you appreciated the advice. I've been keeping
rollers on and off since 1970! Even back in my early days my dad
instilled from day one, that a clean loft is a happy loft. And
I've kept those ethics all the long. Our birds are quite tough
and so can take a few knocks along the way. Have a look at some
of the other site esp racing, and see what injuries some birds
have got and still made it back to their home. Mike I noticed
you mentioned mice, trouble with mice and other rodents is the
they are incontinant and constanly urinate, it helps them locate
their home. But is a big nightmare for any pigeon/bird keeper,
their constant peeing will contaminate any corn they scuttle
over, best course of action is to throw away any corn that you
think they might have been on. For if the young feed on it,
there's a good chance they'll get what is commonly termed as
YBS(young bird sickness) older flyers term it going light (I'm a
latter) The bird will get lathargic and start to loose weight,
to the point that it's keel will feel like a razorblade. Best
course of action is to cull. But there maybe another reason why
the bird is ill. It's possibly the main reason that I keep a
clean loft. Hey Scott, my loft/coop is nothing fantastic, I've a
couple of garden shed, which I bought from the well known
auction site. I then set about converting them. In the larger of
the two, I put in some nestboxes and a few perches, more boxes
than pairs and the same with the perches. That shed/loft is
10foot by6foot, there's a small avairy on the front that extends
to the roof, similar to the tippler men have, it has double
doors and bobwires for them to trap back in with. The young bird
shed/loft, is 8 by 6, I lined it out with sterling board/OSB, as
it was a cheap overlap style. It has approx 50 perches and 2
nestboxes built into a corner, again this has a small wire box
on the front, with bob wires above. They are very typical of
pigeon lofts in England from the 1950's era. I also built some
inner doors, which means that I can open the outer door and let
the birds see out. I've also got a couple of fantails in the
young bird loft, which I aim to use as droppers!(something I've
never done before) they belong to my 5yr old stepson. If your
finishing of your own lofts, make sure there is enough
ventilation, not drafts. Best way to know if you've got the
venting right, is when you first open up in the morning, what do
you smell? If it's fresh air then your on the right track my
friend, If it's birds or worse, then step back and re-think. I
recently moved my bigger shed, before it was nice and clean
smell when I opened up, now there's a slight smell! For some
reason my moving has altered the dynamics of the ventilation, so
it's out with the power drill and put some holes in and cover
with wire. Hope I've been helpfull regards to all. Keep them
spinning Gary
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