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#Post#: 10570--------------------------------------------------
Is it a bump, a roll-down or a slow slide to the ground?
By: markmidmo Date: February 1, 2012, 5:55 pm
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Last fall I had a couple rolldowns out of a fairly expensive
pair. Lately I've been able to fly out last year's young
holdovers and have noticed that the rest of this pair's
offspring is getting sloppy - lots of tail riding, etc. No
happy about this at all!
This evening I was watching one bird that was doing a lot of
tail-riding then she stopped flapping, keeping her wings up over
her back in a wide V and just floated to the ground. Didn't
hit harrd and was on her feet in no time. I started walking
towards her and she started rolling, sloppy rolls all over the
ground like a parlor. Finally caught her against the fence and
put her in a cage where she's holding her head & neck in a high
arch over her back, flapping as though she were in the air
flipping.
I'm guessing this is the end of the road for her. Question
is...should i document this as a rolldown?
#Post#: 10575--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it a bump, a roll-down or a slow slide to the ground?
By: trammell Date: February 2, 2012, 4:33 pm
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[font=verdana]ive had the same problem before and what i found
out is that the birds that i had were bread to a parlor
roller...... some people cross breed with parlor rollers to
attain a deeper roll but the first generation of offspring from
the cross usually rolldown and hit the ground but the off spring
of the first generation is the cream of the crop and they roll
great......... so mabey the guy you got them from was trying to
do that............[/font]
another experience ive had: I bought birds from a guy and he
accidentally sold me a young parlor roller i didnt know it at
the time because for the first 6-8 months the bird flew awesome
one of my best at the time...... them the same exact thing that
happened to your bird happened to mine and sence them she hasnt
flown but she did live and does all the thing the other birds do
but fly........
[font=verdana]so in my [/font][font=verdana]experience i would
say you either had a cross of parlor and roller or a case of pmv
and if both of those rule out then yes i would call it a
rolldown...... But if shes a good bird give her a couple more
chances if no changes sorry to say but CULL her[/font] :-[
??? ??? ? how old is she and how ong has she been flying
#Post#: 10578--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it a bump, a roll-down or a slow slide to the ground?
By: buttertup Date: February 2, 2012, 7:27 pm
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That's interesting Trammel. I have never seen a parlor roller
before. They must favor our rollers quite closely in appearance.
#Post#: 10591--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it a bump, a roll-down or a slow slide to the ground?
By: trammell Date: February 6, 2012, 9:32 am
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yea they do their heads are just a little bit different when
they get older when they are young you really cant tell.
#Post#: 10592--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it a bump, a roll-down or a slow slide to the ground?
By: raul carreiro Date: February 6, 2012, 1:14 pm
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Hi all, why anyone at this day in age despite all of the
information available on the many failures of breeding parlors
to Birmingham rollers, and that there are still those who
breed Parlors to Birmingham rollers, and thinking there going to
create a super roller, is just plain stupidity in my opinion.
And speaks volumes as to the Integrity of these breeders who are
selling and passing off these said birds !!
Markmidmo personally if indeed these birds have any Parlor in
them, I would cull the whole bunch!!! Who knows what else you
find in these birds??
#Post#: 10594--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it a bump, a roll-down or a slow slide to the ground?
By: markmidmo Date: February 6, 2012, 5:07 pm
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I doubt there is an parlor in it. This particular bird had
either a weakness or genetic flaw.
In one of Dexter's writings he mentions birds doing just what
this one did and the English view was they should be culled
That sealed the bird's fate as it wasn't a particularly stellar
bird before
#Post#: 10604--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it a bump, a roll-down or a slow slide to the ground?
By: Joe Asaro Date: February 7, 2012, 4:43 pm
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[quote author=buttertup link=topic=851.msg10578#msg10578
date=1328232473]
That's interesting Trammel. I have never seen a parlor roller
before. They must favor our rollers quite closely in appearance.
[/quote]You should pull up parlors on your computer and watch
them roll for distance. They put on quite a show.
#Post#: 10605--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it a bump, a roll-down or a slow slide to the ground?
By: buttertup Date: February 7, 2012, 5:28 pm
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Awww hellfire! That is amazing! Never saw the likes of that. I
do have a hen that rolls down to her food everyday though...I
worry bout her hehe.
#Post#: 10617--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it a bump, a roll-down or a slow slide to the ground?
By: wishiwon2 Date: February 10, 2012, 2:45 pm
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Mark
In the end, it doesnt matter what you call it really. It is the
lack of control which causes any of the bad behaviours you
listed. Any bird that lacks control enough to hit the ground, is
suspect as a breeder. There are enough birds around that we
shouldnt have to re-invent the wheel everytime so to speak. We
need not tolerate faults such as hitting the ground.
I dont want anyone to read what I've written above and think
that I never have birds hit the ground. I do. I have learned
through experience though that those that lack control
sufficient to avoid hitting (for any reason or label) are prone
to produce birds that exhibit the same weakness or fault. Just
dont use them. It is hard to breed reliable stable spinners with
control. Some breeders try to shortcut it by using birds with
excessive roll impulse, knowing they will get more
rolldowns/bumpers/etc but justify it by reasoning that it is
better to produce rolldowns than straight flyers. Not true, both
are incorrect classes of performers and are of little/no use in
the brood pen.
All this to say; call it what you will, so long as it is
recognized that it shows a faulty trait and never gets bred
from.
#Post#: 11658--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is it a bump, a roll-down or a slow slide to the ground?
By: Mathieu Date: September 24, 2012, 11:54 am
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I usually fly my birds for two years before I start breeding
with them. I choose my breeders from fast spiners but not very
deep as I worry about KAMAKAZI rollers. I prefer birds that fly
higher and roll deeper from a height, instead of birds that are
eager to roll as they leave the loft.
The older the birds the stronger their muscles and their control
of the roll. I fly my birds every day and some times two or
three times a day ( on week ends). If my birds roll down more
then two times I cull them if they don't kill themselves
already.
Regards
Mathieu
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