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Re: yellow bar
By: Sound Rollers Date: January 11, 2012, 6:15 am
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Is this thread referring to show rollers?
John
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Re: yellow bar
By: joeb Date: January 11, 2012, 7:44 am
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Kevin,
The black flecking in this lavendar cock shows that he also
carries blue-black.
John,
This thread is not about show rollers but rather a color
genetics explanation for someone who asked a legitimate
question'
Keep em spinning
Joe B
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Re: yellow bar
By: 2y4life Date: January 11, 2012, 8:24 am
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Joe is correct again. The flecking of black smudges/dots that
you see tells you the bird is also carrying blue/black. That
means he can also throw you some young blue/black birds as well
as red based birds.
Kevin, dilute is nothing more than a modifier that washes the
color out, so to speak. Dilute of blue/black makes a pigeon a
"silver" and dilute of red gives you a "yellow" pigeon.
Gotta love the guys like John trying to get their agendas in. A
guy asked a simple question about how and why he got the
offspring in a specific color and how he could get more of them
and this is what happens.
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Re: yellow bar
By: joeb Date: January 11, 2012, 9:10 am
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[quote author=2y4life link=topic=837.msg10484#msg10484
date=1326291846]
Kevin, dilute is nothing more than a modifier that washes the
color out, so to speak. Dilute of blue/black makes a pigeon a
"silver" and dilute of red gives you a "lavender" pigeon.
[/quote]
Tou, Lavendar is not an expression of dilute but rather is ash
red spread. The dilute of ash red is yellow or cream.
Keep em spinning :D
Joe B
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Re: yellow bar
By: 2y4life Date: January 11, 2012, 9:37 am
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Lol, you are correct. I mispoke. Lavender is the spread of
ash-red just like how a black pigeon is just the spread of blue.
I meant to say that the dilute of blue gives you silver and the
dilute of red gives you yellow or cream.
Dilute of the color/pigment ash red is what gave you your yellow
bird, Kevin. I hope I didn't confuse you with that statement.
Thanks for the correction Joe :).
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Re: yellow bar
By: wishiwon2 Date: January 11, 2012, 10:04 pm
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[quote author=Kevin Thao link=topic=837.msg10481#msg10481
date=1326256231]
okay,I get it now...
Here is my lavender cock,so is the dilute the black/blue spots
that shows on him?
[/quote]Kevin, your lavender cock is carrying dilute but not
expressing it (you cannot see it). It is sex-linked, meaning a
hen will always show dilute if she has it where as a cock will
only show it if he is homoozygous for it. If he is hetero he
will carry and be able to produce it, with out showing it.
Buttertup et al.
A word of caution to you and anyone else. It is difficult enough
to breed top quality spinners, regardless of color. By limiting
yourself to any particular colors as parents will increase the
level of difficulty to produce top quality birds. Its not that
it cant be done ... just that your odds of success will decrease
the more you limit your stock choices, based on attributes other
than performance. OR you will find yourself settling for lesser
quality because its a particular color that you like. Everyone
has different goals and derives satisfaction in different ways
from these birds. I just want you, and anyone else getting
started, to go into it with your eyes wide open. Lot of novices
have quickly become discouraged when they learned the difficulty
of this craft. My advice, establish a baseline of good
performers first, then work to add the "extras" if you still
wish to later.
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Re: yellow bar
By: Kevin Thao Date: January 12, 2012, 12:24 am
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hey wishiwon2,I understand what you are saying.The lavender that
i was breeding just somehow threw out a cream yellow. I wanted
to know how to get more,plus these are my additional birds that
I am working with.
Okay guys,so how will I know if my birds are carrying dilute?
You guys said that hens show it right? so how can I tell?
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Re: yellow bar
By: Johnnie Williams Date: January 12, 2012, 8:53 am
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are you useing open loft or individual-- if open its a toss up
in individual you know FOR SURE who parents are-- sence he is
lavender and not showing dilute Individual pens are the only
way-- I had a Blue Check Badge w/f that was on Pie Red Check
Badge w/f hen they produce 3 Yellow and 2 Dun hens this past
year that spin very well 20' to 45' and they were in Individual
pens.lol with them in future if they spin Yellow or Dilute is
OK-- IF NOT CULL GOD Bless!!!
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Re: yellow bar
By: 2y4life Date: January 12, 2012, 10:15 am
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[quote author=Kevin Thao link=topic=837.msg10490#msg10490
date=1326349451]
Okay guys,so how will I know if my birds are carrying dilute?
You guys said that hens show it right? so how can I tell?
[/quote]
WishiWon is a smart guy and you should heed his advice if you
want to do well in roller flying competitions.
BUT if you are just breeding for fun and want to get "pretty"
birds and that is your priority, breed however you like.
As to your question about dilute? How can you tell if a bird is
carrying dilute? If a bird isn't dilute (cream/yellow, silver)
and you want to know if it carries dilute, the only way you
really know is if it gives you offspring that are dilute.
Just like that lavender cock. No real way to know if he was
dilute or not until he threw out that yellow.
Another thing is what Johnnie said. Unless you are breeding in
an individual breeding cage, it's always a toss up.
I'm hoping to fly competitively one day so whatever I get from
my birds is what I get and my only focus will be on the shape of
the bird when it is flying and falling from the sky.
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Re: yellow bar
By: buttertup Date: January 12, 2012, 12:55 pm
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I hear ya Wishiwon. I am only breeding for performance, and
have put my birds together with only that in mind. I have
never been able to rub my belly and pat my hair at the same
time, but I sure do like to know what the fellers are talking
about when it comes to color, because I have have birds in my
loft that I have no idea of what color they are, though the
majority are black. I have a bird that looks identical to the
pic below and never realized what color it was, I just called it
my funny colored bird. I agree that performance and color is
best left to those with more expertise, and thus, for myself, I
do find your advice sound. After all, I have to think about
performance if peeps might want to someday fly Haney birds lol.
;D
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