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#Post#: 10339--------------------------------------------------
Lavenders...
By: Kevin Thao Date: December 18, 2011, 2:31 am
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So is the Color(lavender) a recessive or dominate??
Just wondering this because this is getting me confused!
Kevin
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Re: Lavenders...
By: 2y4life Date: December 18, 2011, 6:57 am
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I'll answer your question to the best of my ability Kevin but
just to you know, I will admit I know very little about color
genetics as that isn't my focus but I do try to learn what is
what. Lol, I'm sure a some of the more experienced guys might
get on my case but here goes Kevin.
Lavender is really an ash red bird with the spread gene. The
spread gene is what gives it that look. As far as
dominance/recessive, I believe that spread is a dominant
autosomal which means if the bird is carrying spread, it will
show it and it doesn't need to be a double factor to show.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong fellas.
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Re: Lavenders...
By: joeb Date: December 18, 2011, 8:08 am
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Tou,
You are absolutely correct in your explanation! :D
Keep em spinning
Joe B
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Re: Lavenders...
By: 2y4life Date: December 18, 2011, 8:36 am
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I'm trying to fly and hopefully breed the best birds possible so
my eye is always on the ball that's why breeding or favoring a
specific color/pattern in my birds is moot. Take your eye off
the ball for a second and the game could be over especially for
a beginner like myself.
The good thing about learning about colors is then I kinda know
what to expect and can sometimes tell if a yb is a cock or a hen
or if it even came from the supposed pair. Unless you breed in
individual cages, you'll never know.
Thanks Joe...trying to keep them spinning but 20+ degree weather
doesn't help much lol nor does this work schedule and the sun
setting at 4pm.
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Re: Lavenders...
By: Kevin Thao Date: December 18, 2011, 12:51 pm
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So if the spead is dominant autosomal then will it take over the
recessive colors?
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Re: Lavenders...
By: joeb Date: December 18, 2011, 3:43 pm
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Kevin,
Spread is the factor that makes blue into black. It covers the
bars and checks, not the base color.
Keep em spinning
Joe B
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Re: Lavenders...
By: Tiraderoller Date: December 18, 2011, 7:41 pm
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So is black in rollers actually a very dark blue?
Paul
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Re: Lavenders...
By: 2y4life Date: December 18, 2011, 8:34 pm
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[quote author=Tiraderoller link=topic=825.msg10347#msg10347
date=1324258881]
So is black in rollers actually a very dark blue?
Paul
[/quote]
Yes, a the scientists and genetic experts have determined that
the black we see is merely a blue pigeon that has the spread
gene.
There are really only three base "colors/pigments" and they are
red, blue, and brown. So in reality, every bird's base
color/pigment is either red, blue, or brown. There are other
factors and modifiers at work that give us certain "colors".
Just like the color Andalusian, that's what I believe is a blue
bird carrying Indigo and spread which gives it that kind of
grayish/black look.
As for spread, a spread bird can produce a T-check, barred, and
barless bird. Spread is kind of like recessive red in that it
hides the actual pattern so just because you have a spread
doesn't necessarily mean that you can only get a spread. So a
spread bird may actually hid any of the possible patterns that
pigeons have.
Again, if any of this is incorrect, please correct me. I don't
want to misinform anyone but this is my understanding of it.
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Re: Lavenders...
By: Kevin Thao Date: December 18, 2011, 9:16 pm
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Thanks for all the Good info....
Kevin
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Re: Lavenders...
By: mumtaztic Date: December 25, 2011, 6:25 am
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[font=calibri]2y4life,[/font]
[font=calibri]Well you are partially correct. There is no blue
pigment or blue gene in pigeon genetics. It is also misleading
to think that there are 3 so called base colors. Pigeons are
able to produce 3 pigments in their feathers and they are red,
black and brown. However, only base is the black which is the
color of our wild-type (blue bar) standard. [/font]
[font=calibri]In the case of Andalusion, there are two mutations
interacting together - indigo and spread. Spread is not part of
the pattern series (T-checker, checker, bar, barless). Spread is
different mutation and you are right that spread is epistatic –
hides pattern. Recessive red is also epistatic that hides
pattern and most colors except recessive white and albino. You
also said from spread you could get anything, which is also
wrong. It is true if the spread bird is heterozygous (carrying
only one copy of the gene). However, if it has two copies
(homozygous) then you will get nothing but spread out of this
bird, unless no other epistatic mutations are present like
recessive red, recessive white, or albino.[/font]
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