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       #Post#: 10149--------------------------------------------------
       644D
   DIR By: raul carreiro
       Date: December 3, 2011, 2:29 pm
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       Hi Tony do you have any pics of your hen 644D that you can post
       for us?
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       Re: 644D
   DIR By: Tony Chavarria
       Date: December 3, 2011, 6:32 pm
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       Hi Raul, thanks for asking about 644D. I had to do some
       searching and found a picture in an old catalog that I used when
       I first started making Ruby Roller available. I have a crashed
       hard drive that has more pictures. Maybe someday I try to
       retrieve them. For now, this is all there is.
       [img]
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       Re: 644D
   DIR By: raul carreiro
       Date: December 3, 2011, 11:19 pm
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       Thanks Tony for posting that Picture! One thing I wish to stress
       to all  is how  much this particular hen has put her marks and
       traits into   your line! I am only beginining to see the  tell
       tale trade marks of the potency of this hen!
       She truly will be to those of us who have your line of birds ,as
       good or better than any bird that Pensom ever produced!!
       #Post#: 10155--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 644D
   DIR By: scott70
       Date: December 4, 2011, 1:27 am
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       Thank you Tony for the pic of this hen she is also in most of my
       wifes peds can you send me more info on her on how deep she
       rolled and how she did on kiting. I would like to build my wifes
       family of rubys around her.
       Julie stoled the family from me she wants her own rollers you
       have to love your wife wanting to kick your butt in your own
       sport lol.
       After the loss we had in shipping not that it was your fault
       things happen and you where more then willing to replace the
       birds that shows what a great person you are maybe you can help
       us find a couple more birds right off this hen to get a great
       ruby family started
       #Post#: 10156--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 644D
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: December 4, 2011, 1:15 pm
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       644D was grandmother to both of my foundation birds and while I
       think she was instrumental in their formation, I also think
       Tony's birds amount to more then just this one bird. The gene
       pool was tightened around his foundation pair through slection
       and hard work. To give all of the credit to one hen is unjust
       and untrue, the line itself carries all of the capabilies and
       abilities not just 644D. :)
       Not personal Raul, you know I love you, just what I think about
       the subject.
       Take care my friends
       Thom
       #Post#: 10157--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 644D
   DIR By: raul carreiro
       Date: December 4, 2011, 4:40 pm
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       Hi Thom, Its always a pleasure to read your opinion on
       things!Yes you are correct my friend about what you think of the
       subject! I didnt mean to imply anthing different ;D  I agree
       with you Tonys line as a whole definetily carries all the bells
       and whistles, and not just one hen! :D  I do however believe
       that 644d was with out a doubt an exceptional bird of great
       worth! ;)
       #Post#: 10158--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 644D
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: December 4, 2011, 4:57 pm
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       Raul, We are in perfect accord! :)
       Take care my friend
       Thom
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       Re: 644D
   DIR By: Joe Asaro
       Date: December 4, 2011, 7:55 pm
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       --- Quote from: raul carreiro link ---
       >
       > Thanks Tony for posting that Picture! One thing I wish to
       stress to all  is how  much this particular hen has put her
       marks and traits into   your line! I am only beginining to see
       the  tell tale trade marks of the potency of this hen!
       > She truly will be to those of us who have your line of birds
       ,as good or better than any bird that Pensom ever produced!!
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       raul.. She had the right quality's needed to make a great
       foundation bird to a family of Ruby strain of rollers,No out
       crossed. Raul you are jumping the gun with that good or better
       than any bird that Pensom ever produced statement !! ::) :o Joe
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       Re: 644D
   DIR By: raul carreiro
       Date: December 4, 2011, 8:16 pm
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       Hi Joe, I stand by what I said! Why do  you say Im jumping the
       gun here?  If you read the statement in its proper context its
       not unreasonable to make that statement! 514 was known to be  an
       exceptional bird in the  breeding pen more so than  in the air,
       why should those of us with  644d in our birds think her
       anything less?    I do respect your opinion though buddy 8) !
       #Post#: 10161--------------------------------------------------
       Re: 644D
   DIR By: Joe Asaro
       Date: December 4, 2011, 9:32 pm
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       --- Quote from: raul carreiro link ---
       >
       > Hi Joe, I stand by what I said! Why do  you say Im jumping the
       gun here?  If you read the statement in its proper context its
       not unreasonable to make that statement! 514 was known to be  an
       exceptional bird in the  breeding pen more so than  in the air
       why should 644d be anything less?    I do respect your opinion
       though buddy 8) !
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       raul...Have not had any 514 blood. Red Headed Hen PRC 58  255
       breed by Pensom. She is in most of my Patrick line.514 was known
       to be an exceptional bird in the breeding pen,Because of her
       quality in the air that's why she was stocked. Gene Giegoldt and
       Frank Lavin are the 514 blood experts < You could check with
       either one of them.With regards Joe   :)
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