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Intelligence and the Birmingham Roller Breed
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: November 29, 2011, 4:28 pm
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As it relates to the breed, is it important for Birmingham
Rollers to be intelligent? Why? How might intelligence express
itself in Birmingham Rollers? Does intelligence make for a
better roller? In wanting to explore this topic on a deeper
level, I borrowed 3 levels* involving intelligence in dogs that
I ran across in this article: READ ARTICLE
HTML http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/canine-corner/200907/canine-intelligence-breed-does-matter
1- Instinctive Intelligence: this really refers to what a dog
was bred for.
2- Adaptive Intelligence: this is basically a measure of what a
dog can learn to do for himself.
3- Working Intelligence: it is the closest to what we might call
school-learning ability, and is based upon what the dog can
learn to do when instructed by humans.
Is it possible to apply these same types of intelligence's to
the Birmingham Roller? What behaviors and acts of intelligence
can you identify and under which type would you classify them?
Would any of this be helpful toward breeding better rollers? Can
you provide some explanation?
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Re: Intelligence and the Birmingham Roller Breed
DIR By: lew3015
Date: November 29, 2011, 10:32 pm
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Tony I can tell you that birminghams are smart, I have seen,
with my own eyes, in fact, I was standing right next to it, a
roller fly full speed, right into a large pine tree, with a
coopers hot on it's tail, and hide, so they didn't get eaten. I
have also seen a roller fly down into a ditch to get away from a
coopers and get under a fallen log, in order to hide, than not
come out for 2 days, where would they have learned them tricks
from. now I would call that pretty smart.
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Re: Intelligence and the Birmingham Roller Breed
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: November 30, 2011, 4:46 pm
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DOH! this is a hard one! ??? Someone must have more examples
of intelligence in Birmingham Rollers??? ;D
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Re: Intelligence and the Birmingham Roller Breed
DIR By: raul carreiro
Date: November 30, 2011, 5:40 pm
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Hi Tony, I dont believe the example of Instinctive Intelligence
as is refered to dogs can be used in Birmingham rollers in
my honest opinion. Even though rollers are bred to roll it is
not an instinct! But rather a fault being bred for and
perpetuated. For example it is an natural instinct for herding
dog breeds to herd. This herding instinct is really nothing more
than a remanant trait left from the wolve to stalk its
prey.Most good lines of herding dogs need not have had previous
herding training before taking naturaly to herding only trained
how to properly herd. Adaptive intelligence in rollers can be
how a bird learns how to handle the roll, or "learns" at what
depth to roll according to their altitude of flight! I have seen
this adaptive intelligence many times in the Rubys. In my case I
have seen them perform at their peak anywhere from 25 -45ft
deep.fast rolls when flying at heights between 200-400 ft, and
the same birds only do 1-3 flipps while coming in or flying at
less than 80ft! Of course there are exceptions.
Working Itelligence in my opinion has do with flier/breeder
learning and teaching himself how to get the best out of what is
bred into his birds! How many times has one heard that Jack
bought some birds from Jills line who won the World Cup etc
bring them home breed them or fly them and cant get these
flavour of the year birds to do jack shit:-)
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Re: Intelligence and the Birmingham Roller Breed
DIR By: chesley l warren
Date: November 30, 2011, 7:45 pm
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don"t know much about the IQ of a roller lessen 5 month old
that i still have as of this message, but his first day out kit
box was rollin acting crazy.He crashes to the ground every time
he's released. Now he's had more lifes than a house cat. Today
i watched him fall spinning at lest 250', down i rushed out
to see if i could catch or break his fall some,but he fell
almost on my shoes. I looked at the DA, reached for him and he
was airborne again., Theres no education in the second kick of a
mule, and i cant fix stupid. When he finnaly hits the loft top,
then i think his trainning and intelligence will be displayed.
Just my sumation!!! Chesley
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