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       #Post#: 9888--------------------------------------------------
       Flying young Rubys in general
   DIR By: windjammer loft
       Date: November 6, 2011, 9:34 am
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       Are their certain things to look for at certain ages,when you
       start flying young birds??  For instance,when first starting to
       fly should you be concerend with the birds just kitting?? Then
       what follows?? Some tail ridding?? Then, do some start to do
       single flips?? And is their a time frame that certain things
       should start happenings?? At what age do they generally start
       doing rolls with any depth to them?? I think Iam abit confussed
       with what things should follow what, as far as growth patterns..
       And what  to look for as the birds advance in age..  Can anyone
       get me started in the right direction.   I know with my
       Fireballs, I know what to look for as they age and at waht time
       frame they should be doing things..  My Ruby's Iam not quite
       sure of.....  If you need more infor about my youngsters I'll
       gladly provide what ever you need..
       #Post#: 9889--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Flying young Rubys in general
   DIR By: ozzie
       Date: November 6, 2011, 10:04 am
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       Here is what I have observed with my young Rubys. 4-6 months I
       get short rolls or single flips depending on the bird. I was
       unable to fly them much this summer because of the heat but in
       the last month they have had much more fly time. This morning I
       had a grizzle hen bust loose with 5-10 footers and she has only
       single flipped very little. My older kit 8-10 months old they
       are beginning to really crank. Yesterday was a disaster. The
       wind got up 30 minutes after release I finally got the last 4 in
       at dark. But this morning they we getting it on. Flew at least
       an hour. Be patient with them because the roll and kitting is in
       these birds. Enjoy !!!
       #Post#: 9894--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Flying young Rubys in general
   DIR By: Johnnie Williams
       Date: November 6, 2011, 2:55 pm
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       Don't fly Rubys but have to deal with 30 mph winds most every
       day-- blowing 25 + today and hens Look GREAT can't wait until
       11/18 when Joe Emberton comes to my Wif's humble home  GOD
       Bless!!!
       #Post#: 9895--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Flying young Rubys in general
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: November 6, 2011, 5:09 pm
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       Hey Paul, Non-kitting and tree sitting are about the only
       cullable offences. I try to give my Rubys plenty of air time,
       even in the wind. I fly in a stiff breeze everyday so they just
       have to learn and deal with it. A large percentage of my young
       birds start by just flipping BUT I watch for the bird that
       starts by multible rotations. The ones that start by just
       spinning seem to turn out the best but also are the most
       dangerious when young. I made the mistake of culling to early
       and wasted some potentially good birds. Now I hold off and give
       them every chance to learn or cull themselves. I also find that
       you can not judge them until half way through their second
       flying season and even into the third year. A 10 to 20' young
       bird will deepen and tighten up as it ages. They are not toooo
       dependent on feed, just never take them from a mix to straight
       wheat in one day, lawn darts! :(
       Take care my friend
       Thom
       #Post#: 9905--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Flying young Rubys in general
   DIR By: scott70
       Date: November 7, 2011, 7:10 am
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       Great info thanks guys I my self will be working with a small
       group of rubys this year but I think my wife is going to steel
       this blood line from me she wants her own line to work with and
       it sounds like this family will be great for her to start out
       with. She has helped me with the birds for the last year and has
       done very well with them
       #Post#: 9906--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Flying young Rubys in general
   DIR By: windjammer loft
       Date: November 7, 2011, 7:56 am
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       Thanks all.........Thom,after our last email I have been flying
       my youngsters 8 days straight now. They have diffinately tighten
       up their kitting, added some height and added more minutes to
       flying time. More birds are doing single or mulit flips, but
       still flying straight. At least now I have some guidelines to
       follow.  I don't have any cullable traits as of yet,  thanks
       GOD..
       #Post#: 9908--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Flying young Rubys in general
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: November 7, 2011, 11:09 am
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       Hey Paul, I would just keep doing as you are. Get them as much
       air time as possible before the hawks shut you down. Keep their
       feed at least in the 1 1/2 tbs. per bird range but I would feed
       them 2 tbs. each and see if they fly longer and slow down some.
       The longer they function as a kit the better their flying habits
       will become. Your wind problem is as bad as mine, so be careful
       and never fly them in a down draft.
       Good luck my friend
       Thom
       #Post#: 9912--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Flying young Rubys in general
   DIR By: windjammer loft
       Date: November 8, 2011, 9:01 am
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       Thom..... I put them up this morning. I realy like the way they
       are comming together.  Had 2 Cooper attempts.  Must be a
       juvinele.. I yelled as it flew after one of the birds, then it
       darted away back towards the tree line down the road. But, they
       just kept flying as if nothing had happened.  Great weather this
       mornen too.
       #Post#: 9918--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Flying young Rubys in general
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: November 8, 2011, 5:03 pm
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       Hey Paul, I am glad it is working for you! :) I lost a good 20'
       young cock last Friday to a cooper hen. There were three of them
       and they attacked over and over for two hours. While they were
       squabbling over my cock, I managed to get the kit in and
       trapped. I'm in lock down until next year. :(
       Take care my friend
       Thom
       #Post#: 9919--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Flying young Rubys in general
   DIR By: Joe Asaro
       Date: November 8, 2011, 11:57 pm
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       --- Quote from: oldfart link ---
       >
       > Hey Paul, I am glad it is working for you! :) I lost a good
       20' young cock last Friday to a cooper hen. There were three of
       them and they attacked over and over for two hours. While they
       were squabbling over my cock, I managed to get the kit in and
       trapped. I'm in lock down until next year. :(
       > Take care my friend
       > Thom
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       So sorry to here the devil birds have taken your fun away for a
       few months. :( Joe
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