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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: raul carreiro
Date: October 9, 2011, 7:26 pm
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John I agree! But I believe if the question was worded
diffrently such as "Would you have culled the famous "Pensom"
514 hen if it had gotten sick from cocci or a simple bacterial
infection would you have culled it or medicated it?" I think the
percentages on the poll would have favoured no!
Sorry Tony just my thaughts on this ;D
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: Sound Rollers
Date: October 10, 2011, 8:37 am
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514
#Post#: 9353--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: 2y4life
Date: October 10, 2011, 9:33 am
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The thing is, if any bird especially a pre-potent bird is sick,
all of us would just try to treat it. Now if it was sick was a
deadly virus that could easily infect the rest of your birds,
you try to save it but chances are the bird would cull itself.
The question, itself, is trying to paint this situation as black
and white when it is not because the question was too general.
Like JoeB said, if it was carrying paratyphoid and you knew it
was carrying paratyphoid and 514 was a once in a lifetime bird,
hopefully you got some good offspring off of it as you should if
it was such a good bird. Better to let that bird go than lose
the rest. It's the same for anyone who breeds animals seriously.
BTW, sick carries many meanings. What kind of "sickness" it
has/carries is extremely important in determining what to do
with the pigeon. Let's not deny that.
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: Sound Rollers
Date: October 10, 2011, 10:02 am
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"Would you have culled the famous "Pensom" 514 hen if it had
gotten sick or would you have medicated it?"
It is a simple black and white question and it's easily answered
with a yes or a no. My answer is yes. I'm not in the habit of
walking in to my loft, seeing a sick bird and offing it. Why is
everyone trying to paint a different scenario. Leave the would
if's out.
Tony's question did not read like this:
"Would you have culled the famous "Pensom" 514 hen if it had a
terminal sickness or would you have medicated it?"
V/r
John
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: joeb
Date: October 10, 2011, 11:27 am
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John,
Maybe his question should have read like that! I don't see it as
a simple yes/no situation. Too many variables.
Keep em spinning
Joe B 8)
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: Cliff Ball
Date: October 10, 2011, 11:36 am
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The discussion has danced around, but not quite nailed down the
point, that the most critical issue would have been to have
gotten an accurate diagnosis. Take her to an avian vet, find out
what they problem is and THEN make a decision as to whether to
cull or treat. Making the decision to cull or treat without an
accurate diagnosis...or on the basis of an "internet"
diagnosis...is foolish....risks a good bird that might have been
saved...or puts your entire loft at risk when a sereious illness
should have been culled out.....regardless of the pigeon...
JMHO,
Cliff
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: joeb
Date: October 10, 2011, 12:05 pm
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Good point Cliff, assuming you have access to an Avian vet.
Unfortunately I don't. You would think that in a city the size
of KC there would be one.
Keep em spinning
Joe B
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: October 10, 2011, 12:12 pm
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Hi Cliff, thanks for checking in...is it practical and
affordable to take every bird that comes down with the sniffles
to an avian vet? I don't think so. I would guess that very few
do...but this thread digresses. So, anyway, I take it from your
response that you would hustle her off to the avian vet and have
a proper diagnosis performed and treatment prescribed. So, no,
you would not cull her by fact you suggest using an avian vet.
Now what is 1 pigeon illness that is 100% fatal and absolutely
requires that the bird in question be destroyed?
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: October 10, 2011, 12:30 pm
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--- Quote from: joeb link ---
>
> John, Maybe his question should have read like that! I don't
see it as a simple yes/no situation. Too many variables. Keep em
spinning Joe B 8)
--- End Quote ---
Hi Joe, well, I disagree in that I prefaced my question with the
comments made by Paul; here is what was said to begin the
thread:
"This poll question is inspired by windjammer who added his
comment to a thread regarding what to do about a pigeon that may
have had coccidiosis. His comment was that he would cull such a
sick bird. Is the decision really that black and white? Consider
this:
Would you have culled the famous "Pensom" 514 hen if it had
gotten sick or would you have medicated it? What would you do
with a key foundation bird in your loft? What are your
thoughts?"
The bird is the famous 514 hen, she has coccidiosis, :o does
this important bird now get taken behind the woodshed and have
her head pulled? :'( Is culling from the start the best
practice or are there more things to be taken into consideration
such as the actual value of the bird itself and is it worth the
effort? ???
At the end of the day, a pigeon is a pigeon, only for some,
certain pigeons have a higher value that places it in a special
category and worthy of special consideration. JMHO
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: joeb
Date: October 10, 2011, 2:05 pm
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Tony, Not to belabor the point but I said from the beginning
that if you can isolate, diagnose, and treat the bird then by
all means do it. If not my preferred alternative would be to
cull.
Cocci is not always 100% curable, in some of its more virulent
forms it may lay dormant in a bird for some time and then break
out again. Paratyphoid as you know is a form of cocci and can
become latent. I bird can become a carrier of para and infect
young birds and others around it for years.
I don't want to appear argumentative but it simply isn't black
and white to me.
Maybe I lean to hard toward the cull approach but I have had to
do it in the past. If 514 had a form of cocci that I could not
cure and be 100% sure she would not infect the rest of my loft,
she would be gone. JMHO respectfully!
Keep em spinning
Joe B
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