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#Post#: 9294--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: October 7, 2011, 4:33 pm
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--- Quote from: Sound Rollers link ---
>
> I would quarantine/isolate and treat a bird of that caliber.
It was a "True Birmingham Roller" John
--- End Quote ---
I am with John, a bird can become ill for a variety of reasons,
some of them are management. I would not blame the bird.
However, I would treat the bird. I would only cull if it was
chronically sick, I would not want to pass that inherent
weakness off to the offspring. :D
#Post#: 9296--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: OldSkool
Date: October 7, 2011, 4:40 pm
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No - That isn't the plant - Co Thor gave me parts of his plant -
I planted it and it is now growing great right next to my
breeders loft - however thanks for the good info as I didn't
know the berries weren't good - I just put these leaves in the
cage for decoration - This is a current picture - It's been 3
months since the bird was sick - and I kept him separate for
over a month - I used common sense and it worked out well - I
have children and do Animal Rescue and Foster care in my home so
I feel much differently than most and feel I can still be
serious and compete in good manner - meaning by teaching my
children not to harm any creature - I'm a bit different so I to
bond to animals that have become or are different as well - That
would be to me like saying Kill me because I have Crohns and CF
- I beg to differ and disagree within that part of the sport /
hobby - There is other means to culling - plenty of folks who
will care for birds that don't perform - and I'll care for them
naturally and hope they make it through the sickness and there's
only one option if they don't - however there are some
situations where killing can't be avoided and I do understand
that its more humane to let them rest peacefully -- " Peace "
Mike ( Just because a bird falls Ill doesn't mean it is
inherited - and if it makes it through I feel it will be a
stronger bird )
#Post#: 9298--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: ozzie
Date: October 7, 2011, 6:52 pm
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No. Treat her and hope she makes it.
#Post#: 9299--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: October 7, 2011, 6:58 pm
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Hi Mike, I want to respond to a couple of your thoughts in your
last post. I get the sense that you use the words "culling" and
"killing" to be equivalent in meaning. I disagree. Here are the
definitions of each word from Dictionary.browse.c om:
cull   [kuhl]
verb (used with object)
1.
to choose; select; pick.
2.
to gather the choice things or parts from.
3.
to collect; gather; pluck.
noun
4.
act of culling.
5.
something culled, especially something picked out and putaside
as inferior.
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kill1    [kil]
verb (used with object)
1.
to deprive of life in any manner; cause the death of; slay.
2.
to destroy; do away with; extinguish: His response killed
ourhopes.
3.
to destroy or neutralize the active qualities of: to kill
anodor.
4.
to spoil the effect of: His extra brushwork killed the painting.
5.
to cause (time) to be consumed with seeming rapidity orwith a
minimum of boredom, especially by engaging in someeasy activity
or amusement of passing interest: I had to killthree hours
before plane time.
noun
24.
the act of killing
HTML http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/kill,
especially game:
The hounds moved in forthe kill.
25.
an animal or animals killed.
26.
a number or quantity killed.
27.
an act or instance of hitting or destroying a target,especially
an enemy aircraft.
28.
the target so hit or, especially, destroyed.
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Essentially, in the context in which Birmingham Roller fanciers
use the term, culling is the act of removing from the premises,
a bird that is not of sufficient quality to meet the standards
of the breed, either by giving it away or destroying the bird.
Culling is a necessary act if one is to improve and/or maintain
the breed.
Culling has been performed since man has taken to raising
animals for food, pleasure or profit. It is an accepted practice
by responsible persons on all levels and of all backgrounds. I
know of no one who enjoys doing it but it serves to keep only
the best of the breed in circulation. I have my share of culls
and do not allow them to breed. I even have one right now that
has severe leg problems and cannot walk very well and will never
be able to breed or care for squabs and have kept it now for
about 3 years.
The one thing I do not do is project human attributes to
animals, in the wild, animals are vicious and quite often
merciless to their own kind, humans have the ability to show
extreme compassion whereas animals cannot. Domesticated animals
are destined to serve man and their primary reason for existing
in the first place, to somehow benefit man.
==
Chronic illness (or weak immune system) is more than likely an
inherited trait that should not be passed on if it can be
avoided...remember, "chronic", not the one off illness the bird
has hear and there over several years. My foundation cock bird
903 never had a sick day in its 17 years of life. When he died,
he was sitting in a nest bowl simply getting weaker and weaker
and then died with eyes open on a pleasant Autumn day.
#Post#: 9300--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: J_Star
Date: October 7, 2011, 7:43 pm
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When you start breeding 60 to 100 birds or more a season and
season after season, you start to have less and less room to
house them. Culling becomes a necessity to keep only the best
and discard the rest. It is just the way it is. The more birds
you have the stickler you become of which birds to keep and much
easier to stomach when you lose a bird to BOPs. The birds that
are less favorable to you, you will give away to others but the
bad ones would be culled. It is a necessity. For those of you
who have been in the hobby for less than a year, I don’t expect
you to understand what I am saying, but in due time they will
get it.
The best way not to have sick birds in the loft and not to worry
about culling is to prevent the sickness in the first place.
Keep moisture out of the loft, keep the loft ventilated and by
all means and any cost, keep rodents out. Make sure the floor of
the loft is either wood or concrete but never earth. Give them
clean feed, and check the feed for any sign of rodent droppings.
Provide them clean water and keep feed in locked containers at
all times. Do NOT keep your loft spotless. Poultry including
pigeons build their immune system by eating each other droppings
from time to time. No reason to medicate ever, however, I
recommend preventative treatment once a year just like you would
do with worming. Two weeks before you put your pairs for
breading, give them antibiotics for 10 days mixed with their
water. That is it. You will never have cocci, canker, and sour
crop among other bacterial diseases. The parents will not become
stressed out from breading and die suddenly without apparent
reason. Those will become other lofts issues but not yours. If
you don't eat your culls or your pigeons in general, you can
purchase the medicated pellets instead of the regular pellets.
These medicated pellets are medicated to prevent cocci which is
the most common disease in poultry. Mix the pellets with the
regular grain every time you feed them. In reality you have many
choices. Pick one.
Jay
#Post#: 9301--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: donnie james
Date: October 7, 2011, 8:07 pm
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when i cull a bird i fine someone that loves animals and wants
the birds just to have them around and i let them have it or
them ...............donnie james
#Post#: 9302--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: October 7, 2011, 8:28 pm
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Let's try to stay on topic; would you cull 514 if she got sick?
;D
#Post#: 9303--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: J_Star
Date: October 7, 2011, 8:43 pm
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Sicknesses differ from other sickness!! If the 514 got sick form
cocci, then I will cure it. That is easy to cure...but if it got
sick from PMV or such, you bet it becomes history in no time at
all. There will be no others to blame but myself for letting the
514 contract a nasty disease. If the 514 was worthy to me, I
would have done all I can to keep the bird healthy. Otherwise,
it is called negligence on my part.
Jay
#Post#: 9304--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: OldSkool
Date: October 8, 2011, 2:32 am
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Well put Jay --- Tony I thought I pointed out very clearly that
I do know the difference between killing and culling - I however
feel all creatures are one - and that humans are at the top and
need to protect God's creatures - But that's why this hobby and
sport is so interesting because we all have or own beliefs -
keep them Healthy , Clean , Pretty and Spinning - Peace - Mike (
Also Jay Thank You very much for all that Information - will be
of much help and usage !! )
#Post#: 9305--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
DIR By: joeb
Date: October 8, 2011, 8:59 am
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I think the question you have to ask yourself is, do I want to
expose the rest of the loft to whatever the bird has? If you can
isolate, diagnose and treat the illness then by all means do it.
If not cull it so as to not pass the disease on to others. By
the way passing your trash on to others is not culling!!
Keep em spinning
Joe B
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