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Is It Always Wise To Cull?
By: Tony Chavarria Date: October 7, 2011, 11:06 am
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This poll question is inspired by windjammer who added his
comment to a thread regarding what to do about a pigeon that may
have had coccidiosis. His comment was that he would cull such a
sick bird. Is the decision really that black and white? Consider
this:
Would you have culled the famous "Pensom" 514 hen if it had
gotten sick or would you have medicated it? What would you do
with a key foundation bird in your loft? What are your thoughts?
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
By: markmidmo Date: October 7, 2011, 12:56 pm
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I would like to add a caveat to my "yes, cull" vote. It depends
on how sick. Something simple I'd treat right away, anything
beyond that is cullable.
I bred & showed chickens for over 25 years and saw a lot of
energy and expense wasted on keeping sickly birds alive. The
more seasoned a breeder became the less tolerant they were of
ill or poorly performing birds. At some point even the
greatest of the great must go down.
One of the things I always told the 4H Youth was that they'd
never be a good breeder until their last pet died. It's only
after your pet birds are gone and you start looking at them for
their performace and potential will you be able to bred quality
stock. A sick bird holds you back.
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
By: raul carreiro Date: October 7, 2011, 1:04 pm
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Hi Tony, Very interesting question! I participated in the poll
with my answer being yes, I would have called a foundation bird!
Coccidiosis in my opinion is very often a misdiognosis used by
many as the underlying cause for the bird being sick in the
first place! One only has to read about the many diseases and
viruses that exibit the same symptoms of coccidiosis, but are
far more serious and deadly! Coccidiosis is not actually a
disease, it is a bacterial infection! Coccidiosis should be
veiwed as an indicator that there is something else lurking
in the loft that causes the bird to have a high rate of
bacteria!
Heres a link below for those who wish to read more on the
subject
HTML http://www.chevita.com/en/pigeons/index.php
HTML http://www.chevita.com/en/pigeons/index.php
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
By: OldSkool Date: October 7, 2011, 1:49 pm
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I'm a new guy to the sport / hobby and I don't cull - never have
- I've had 1 sick bird ( pictured ) - Possibly Coccidiosis - I
fed her twice per day ( pigeon pellets and mixed grains ) by
hand and also used a dropper to give her water each time I fed
her - and a local had also given me a plant that is a healing
type of plant - unsure of what it is called - but he fed it to
his birds on occasion - so I fed her this as well - When I found
her sick she was getting very skinny and didn't even move - She
is now healthy and strong - also a Young bird - 2011 -- I don't
medicate as I feel it makes birds weaker - let them build their
own immunity - I figure any natural help we can give them is
fine or let them die on their own or become even stronger - I
would never have killed 514 or any bird for that matter -
Separate and helping is the way to go for me --- Peace --- Mike
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
By: raul carreiro Date: October 7, 2011, 3:35 pm
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Oldskool as that the medicinal plant inside its cage?
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
By: markmidmo Date: October 7, 2011, 3:37 pm
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Raul, Glad you asked that. When I saw the sumac leaves I
thought "at least he didn't put the berries in there".
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
By: donnie james Date: October 7, 2011, 3:38 pm
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hay list,
i would pull it out from everyone else and medicated it until it
got better............. ...donny james
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
By: raul carreiro Date: October 7, 2011, 3:47 pm
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Good observation Markmidmo! They are known to be poisonous!
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
By: 2y4life Date: October 7, 2011, 3:54 pm
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To answer Tony's question and poll, I would try to help a sick
bird back to health but I would separate it immediately at the
first signs of sickness. Many kits and lofts have been wiped
clean by leaving sick birds in the loft. The thing too, is
sometimes a sick bird looks better and we rush to put it back in
the loft with is a no no.
Markmido has the perfect response in my opinion. I do believe
the more involved we become, the easier it is to cull birds.
The more seasoned a breeder became the less tolerant they were
of ill or poorly performing birds.
This isn't just with pigeons but any animal being breed
especially show dogs, race horses, even poultry farms.
when you start looking at them for their performace and
potential will you be able to bred quality stock. A sick bird
holds you back.
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Re: Is It Always Wise To Cull?
By: Sound Rollers Date: October 7, 2011, 4:15 pm
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I would quarantine/isolate and treat a bird of that caliber. It
was a "True Birmingham Roller"
John
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