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National Championship Region 4 Qualilfiers
By: Cliff Ball Date: September 22, 2011, 7:57 am
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Congratulations to Mel Stalzer and Wayne Feder for qualifying in
Region 4. And kudos to John Elton for Q and D of 1.8! That would
have been something to see! It was also good to see the judge
unafraid to post Q and D multipliers that are separated by a few
tenths. There is usually a tendency to give teams the same Q and
D, or only a difference of .1
Cliff
#Post#: 8991--------------------------------------------------
Re: National Championship Region 4 Qualilfiers
By: 2y4life Date: September 22, 2011, 9:51 am
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Yes, gotta give Eldon Cheney his due for that. He's the first
judge I've seen that has give a difference of 0.4 in terms of Q
and D and this is the first time I've seen a Q and D of 1.8 and
1.8 given out. Wish I was there to see the kit. I saw John
Elton's B kit but not his A team.
#Post#: 8993--------------------------------------------------
Re: National Championship Region 4 Qualilfiers
By: Cliff Ball Date: September 22, 2011, 11:07 am
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Tou,
That tells me that the judge did a little thinking about the Q
and D, instead of just giving a knee-jerk response in assigning
values. It's not always true.....some kits just plain earn
numbers in the same range....and there are a lot of kits that
are average and similar in Q and D. But I definitely think it's
a good sign when we see some separation in some of the bonus
awards.
Cliff
#Post#: 9594--------------------------------------------------
Re: National Championship Region 4 Qualilfiers
By: J_Star Date: October 18, 2011, 8:12 pm
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I am just speeking out loud, for a D = 1.8, the depth of the kit
must have been over 50 plus feet. Has this kit in the past
scored high for the depth multiplier! I never seen the kit and I
am just asking if anybody has. Thanks.
Jay Alnimer
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Re: National Championship Region 4 Qualilfiers
By: 2y4life Date: October 18, 2011, 8:38 pm
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Jay, John Elton is known as having the deepest birds here in the
Midwest. I saw his B kit only and didn't see his A kit.
What I can say is that Eldon Chaney has only given out a 1.8D
once in his lifetime of judging rollers and John Elton's was
just the 2nd time he's handed out a 1.8D.
According to guys like Wayne Feder, Co Thor, and even Mike
"Superior Spinners", it's not out of the ordinary to see not
just a few pigeons but John's ENTIRE KIT spin 40'-80' feet. I'm
assuming the kit must have been performing like this.
Again, all you have to do is look at Wayne's Q&D compared to
John's and you know there's a big difference in overall quality
and depth. Wayne Feder received a 1.6 and 1.2 while John Elton
got a 1.8 and 1.8.
I wish I was there to see that...
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Re: National Championship Region 4 Qualilfiers
By: J_Star Date: October 18, 2011, 8:54 pm
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I wish I was there also. That must've been some awsome kit. I
wish I will have a kit like that some day. And I wish the score
sheet is designed to provide all this info we are asking like
the exact depth, wing position and quality, kit chemistry, and
the speed rather than guessing.
Jay Alnimer
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Re: National Championship Region 4 Qualilfiers
By: michael salus Date: October 19, 2011, 8:42 am
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[quote author=J_Star link=topic=720.msg9594#msg9594
date=1318986766]
I am just speeking out loud, for a D = 1.8, the depth of the kit
must have been over 50 plus feet. Has this kit in the past
scored high for the depth multiplier! I never seen the kit and I
am just asking if anybody has. Thanks.
Jay Alnimer
[/quote] Jay, I have been to John's at least 20 times and he
has the best Q. and D. I have seen . Do they perform like that
all the time... no.. no one's does, that's where the trainer
comes in and he's one of the best. He has a lot of very deep
birds that roll with great style and zip right back to the kit,
if anyone of you are in his area, give him a call he loves to
fly his birds and if they are on you will be smilling!!!
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