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       #Post#: 8948--------------------------------------------------
       Re: George Mason: Agree or Disagree?
   DIR By: raul carreiro
       Date: September 18, 2011, 5:22 pm
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       --- Quote from: charles_b link ---
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       > Is it worth breeding a Non roller. How many of his/her
       offspring will be non rollers. I would rather breed good roller
       to good roller to prevent the breeding of a non roller that eats
       the same amount of food as a great performer.
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       How many non rolling offspring will you get from birds that do
       roll?
       #Post#: 8949--------------------------------------------------
       Re: George Mason: Agree or Disagree?
   DIR By: 2y4life
       Date: September 18, 2011, 6:18 pm
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       I don't think most of us are actually answering the question.
       The question is whether it's possible to breed good rollers from
       a well-bred non-roller?
       Now is it worth it to breed from a well-bred non-roller, that's
       a completely different question?
       As a beginner, I won't be trying that practice but I'm sure
       there are some guys that do and George Mason is proof of this.
       Again, no one is saying we should breed from only non-rollers or
       should even breed from a non-roller. I do think this is a good
       discussion point though.
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       Re: George Mason: Agree or Disagree?
   DIR By: raul carreiro
       Date: September 18, 2011, 6:35 pm
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       --- Quote from: 2y4life link ---
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       > I don't think most of us are actually answering the question.
       The question is whether it's possible to breed good rollers from
       a well-bred non-roller?
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       > Now is it worth it to breed from a well-bred non-roller,
       that's a completely different question?
       >
       > As a beginner, I won't be trying that practice but I'm sure
       there are some guys that do and George Mason is proof of this.
       Again, no one is saying we should breed from only non-rollers or
       should even breed from a non-roller. I do think this is a good
       discussion point though.
       >
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       2y I think most if not all have answered the question!
       #Post#: 8952--------------------------------------------------
       Re: George Mason: Agree or Disagree?
   DIR By: tom wingfield
       Date: September 18, 2011, 6:47 pm
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       breed just spin to spin and see for your self what you end up
       with out...
       #Post#: 8953--------------------------------------------------
       Re: George Mason: Agree or Disagree?
   DIR By: raul carreiro
       Date: September 18, 2011, 6:52 pm
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       --- Quote from: wingpatchloft link ---
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       > breed just spin to spin and see for your self what you end up
       with out...
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       Good one!
       #Post#: 8973--------------------------------------------------
       Re: George Mason: Agree or Disagree?
   DIR By: Tony Chavarria
       Date: September 20, 2011, 8:32 pm
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       --- Quote from: wingpatchloft link ---
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       > breed just spin to spin and see for your self what you end up
       with out...
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       If it was only that easy!  ???
       #Post#: 8988--------------------------------------------------
       Re: George Mason: Agree or Disagree?
   DIR By: tom wingfield
       Date: September 22, 2011, 7:18 am
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       tony that was my point in the post........ ;D
       #Post#: 9006--------------------------------------------------
       Re: George Mason: Agree or Disagree?
   DIR By: Paul Conway
       Date: September 24, 2011, 10:26 am
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       I'm realatively new to the sport and a Bill Pensom supporter,
       and have heard similar stories of Mr. Pensom picking out a
       loft's best birds.   We'll if Mr. Pensom were alive and well and
       came to my loft and picked out the exact 4 or 5 birds that I
       felt were the best in my loft would this say more about Mr.
       Pensom, me, or both he and I?   after all, if I can  be new and
       my thoughts on my best birds match Mr. Pensom thoughts on my
       birds then on some rudimentary level we're equal. (that says
       more about the repeated stories than it does Mr. Pensom or
       myself) I know, I've had months with my birds watching them fly
       and he's done it off the perch in 20 minutes. Not apples to
       apples in one sense for sure.   This does lead me to something I
       really haven't read about Mr. Pensom- him telling a flyer that
       bird and A, B, C, D, etc are execeptional off the perch.  That
       they were not ones the flyer considered exceptional in his loft,
       but put them in his breeding program none the less on Mr.
       Pensoms suggestion with great results going forward. To me this
       type of story would make much more sense (on some level) than
       the birds Mr. Pensom picked matched the birds the flyer felt
       were his best to a tee? While a good story, on some level, makes
       little sense to me.   Paul Conway.
       #Post#: 9007--------------------------------------------------
       Re: George Mason: Agree or Disagree?
   DIR By: tom wingfield
       Date: September 24, 2011, 12:24 pm
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       i was told by some one that had seen it personly, he could pick
       the best of the performers and the best breeders in anyones
       loft.... there is a article writen by this person on one of the
       sites telling of this , his name is mr. bruce cooper if i can
       find it again i will try to post it......tom
       #Post#: 9015--------------------------------------------------
       Re: George Mason: Agree or Disagree?
   DIR By: Tony Chavarria
       Date: September 24, 2011, 10:16 pm
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       Hi Tom, here is the link on this site to the article by Bruce
       Cooper: CLICK TO READ ARTICLE
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