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       #Post#: 9033--------------------------------------------------
       Re: color combinations
       By: Cliff Ball Date: September 26, 2011, 8:17 am
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       Jay,
       Sounds like we are both working too hard! Keep me posted on what
       you find in Jon's birds, and how they compare with what you are
       flying. Do you know what their background is?
       Cliff
       #Post#: 9449--------------------------------------------------
       Re: color combinations
       By: mumtaztic Date: October 13, 2011, 10:25 am
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       Scott,
       I don’t think we are on the same page with you for the
       definition of mutation. Mutation in genetics is different than
       your 100% pure Pensom  non-mutated rollers, even though I don’t
       agree with you in that department either.  Any color, pattern,
       behavior (including rolling), feather ornaments and any other
       traits you can think of is a “mutation” compared to our standard
       blue bar wild-type. So even if your pure Pensom rollers were not
       crosses between 2 or 3 different breeds used to develop
       Birmingham Rollers (even though we know they are), they are
       still mutants since they carry colors and patterns other than
       blue bar, and more importantly they have this extra ordinary
       ability to roll. We can’t find better mutant example than
       Birmingham Rollers when we study pigeon genetics.
       [quote author=MOTHERLODELOFTS link=topic=701.msg8936#msg8936
       date=1316184618]
       
       What mutation ?  Toy Stencil is from crossbreeding not mutation.
       
       
       
       
       
       ( Toy stencil is very, very complicated mutation and I don’t
       think anyone truly understands this mutation yet )
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