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#Post#: 8818--------------------------------------------------
color combinations
By: beefy435 Date: September 4, 2011, 11:00 am
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i have a red check bald head marked hen, was going to mate her
to a blue toy stenciled cock. what are the color combinations of
the young? just fo speculations
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Re: color combinations
By: donnie james Date: September 4, 2011, 1:19 pm
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hay beefy,
i got a color chart that i got for got to put in the articles i
sent you awhile back this might help out i'll send it out
tuesday or wednesday to you watch the turner and roberts dvd's
this might help you out on what you get if matting up birds
.............................donnie james
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Re: color combinations
By: mumtaztic Date: September 13, 2011, 8:54 am
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Beefy,
I am assuming your red check bald head hen is ash-red and not
recessive red. Don’t get this wrong, but I have seen people
calling mottle recessive reds, as red checks. And you are going
to mate her to a toy stencil? Ohh Boy!!
All I can tell you is that all the red youngsters are going to
be cocks (actually be lavenders), and blue youngsters are going
to be hens. Toy stencil is very, very complicated mutation and I
don’t think anyone truly understands this mutation yet. You
probably will not get any white bars or what checks on the 1st
generation. The hens from this mating would look like a
blue/black body with bronze bars. Only God knows how the
lavender cocks would look like with the toy stencil modifier. It
should be interesting though.
Arif Mumtaz
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Re: color combinations
By: beefy435 Date: September 13, 2011, 11:44 pm
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Yes she is a red T check baldhead hen
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Re: color combinations
By: beefy435 Date: September 13, 2011, 11:45 pm
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And yes she is ash red
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Re: color combinations
By: Joe Asaro Date: September 15, 2011, 3:34 pm
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Mumtaztic..Red Spangle comes out of recessive red and it has to
be in both parents. :o
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Re: color combinations
By: mumtaztic Date: September 15, 2011, 10:24 pm
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[font=calibri]I concur!!![/font]
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Re: color combinations
By: MOTHERLODELOFTS Date: September 16, 2011, 9:50 am
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What mutation ? Toy Stencil is from crossbreeding not mutation.
( Toy stencil is very, very complicated mutation and I don’t
think anyone truly understands this mutation yet )
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Re: color combinations
By: tom wingfield Date: September 16, 2011, 10:02 am
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mutation , or modena...........
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Re: color combinations
By: 2y4life Date: September 16, 2011, 10:48 am
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Frank Mosca is one of the leaders in pigeon genetics along with
the late Dr. W.F. Hollander have all agreed on what can give you
the Toy Stencil Colors
Many of the factors that breeders are looking for may, in fact,
be the result of multi-genes working together Not everything is
a unit factor. Toy Stencil, the mutation that is somehow able
to stamp out to white the pattern of a bird which is normally
dark, seems to be the result of three genes working together.
L. Paul Gibson has found that three separate mutations, which he
is calling, Ts1, Ts2, and an unknown are necessary for Toy
Stencil to show its effect. Ts1 also seems to be identical to
what has been known as Modena Bronze. What no one has yet
figured out is HOW does a combination of Ts1,. Ts2, and the
unknown seem to be able to differentiate between the spread of
the checkers and bars that it can depigment to white, while not
seeming to affect any of the other spread areas on the bird that
to all microscopic examination seems to be identical?
The truth is, most of us are still in the dark when it comes to
how one can and cannot get a pigeon of a certain color. Simply
looking at this roller, I'd call it nothing more than a regular
blue bar but apparently there's a modifier in action here.
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