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Re: Help with Color
By: mumtaztic Date: September 13, 2011, 8:21 am
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[font=calibri]I have a very similar offspring. He is from a blue
lace self hen, and an indigo bar cock. It looks very similar to
this youngster except the head is darker blue/black because of
the indigo factor. Wing feathers are very similar also and it
looks like an imitation of a lace. As far as I know, lace comes
from spread and reduced birds. Therefore, for the male
youngster to show a lace pattern, it must inherit two copies of
reduced (from both parents) and at least one copy of spread
(from either parent). Since reduced is recessive sex linked
mutation, only one copy of reduced and at least one copy of
spread is required to make a lace hen. [/font]
[font=calibri]Cliff, looking at the picture, I don’t see a
reduced color on this young bird. I am assuming this youngster
is a hen and inherited ash-red from the father, but also
inherited spread (non-sex linked) from the mother. I believe it
will molt out to be a spread ash red, darker than the father.
For this young hen to be reduced ash-red, a crossover must have
occurred, but I don’t see any reduced here. I might be 100%
wrong however as I don’t think I have seen a reduced ash-red
before. I have a feeling though a reduced ash-red would present
itself as near white phenotype.[/font]
[quote author=Cliff Ball link=topic=698.msg8856#msg8856
date=1315623275]
Clint,
The hen is a blue lace bald white flight from my 2010 A-team.
She is off a blue lace bald cock and his grandmother, a spread
ash red self (lavender). this pairing has produced many good
birds for me...even an 80 footer! The cock is a spread ash red
(lavender). There is no indigo in these birds. I would guess
this youngster is spread ash red........spread ash red has so
many expressions depending on other factors that influence it,
like wishiwon said. And the reduced may be playing a role in the
expression as well...let's hope it rolls like its aunt does!!
LOL!
Cliff
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#Post#: 8890--------------------------------------------------
Re: Help with Color
By: Joe Asaro Date: September 13, 2011, 9:41 am
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Top of page 2nd picture is a good looking Strawberry cock, Comes
from ash red both sides.Joe
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Re: Help with Color
By: Cliff Ball Date: September 13, 2011, 10:12 am
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I agree with your logic and your genetics, Arif. Good stuff.....
I'm looking forward to seeing you guys in a couple weeks, and
judging your birds again!
Cliff
[quote author=mumtaztic link=topic=698.msg8886#msg8886
date=1315920100]
[font=calibri]I have a very similar offspring. He is from a blue
lace self hen, and an indigo bar cock. It looks very similar to
this youngster except the head is darker blue/black because of
the indigo factor. Wing feathers are very similar also and it
looks like an imitation of a lace. As far as I know, lace comes
from spread and reduced birds. Therefore, for the male
youngster to show a lace pattern, it must inherit two copies of
reduced (from both parents) and at least one copy of spread
(from either parent). Since reduced is recessive sex linked
mutation, only one copy of reduced and at least one copy of
spread is required to make a lace hen. [/font]
[font=calibri]Cliff, looking at the picture, I don’t see a
reduced color on this young bird. I am assuming this youngster
is a hen and inherited ash-red from the father, but also
inherited spread (non-sex linked) from the mother. I believe it
will molt out to be a spread ash red, darker than the father.
For this young hen to be reduced ash-red, a crossover must have
occurred, but I don’t see any reduced here. I might be 100%
wrong however as I don’t think I have seen a reduced ash-red
before. I have a feeling though a reduced ash-red would present
itself as near white phenotype.[/font]
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