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Re: Help with Color
DIR By: mumtaztic
Date: September 13, 2011, 8:21 am
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I have a very similar offspring. He is from a blue lace self
hen, and an indigo bar cock. It looks very similar to this
youngster except the head is darker blue/black because of the
indigo factor. Wing feathers are very similar also and it looks
like an imitation of a lace. As far as I know, lace comes from
spread and reduced birds. Therefore, for the male youngster to
show a lace pattern, it must inherit two copies of reduced (from
both parents) and at least one copy of spread (from either
parent). Since reduced is recessive sex linked mutation, only
one copy of reduced and at least one copy of spread is required
to make a lace hen.
Cliff, looking at the picture, I don’t see a reduced color on
this young bird. I am assuming this youngster is a hen and
inherited ash-red from the father, but also inherited spread
(non-sex linked) from the mother. I believe it will molt out to
be a spread ash red, darker than the father. For this young hen
to be reduced ash-red, a crossover must have occurred, but I
don’t see any reduced here. I might be 100% wrong however as I
don’t think I have seen a reduced ash-red before. I have a
feeling though a reduced ash-red would present itself as near
white phenotype.
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> Clint,
> The hen is a blue lace bald white flight from my 2010 A-team.
She is off a blue lace bald cock and his grandmother, a spread
ash red self (lavender). this pairing has produced many good
birds for me...even an 80 footer! The cock is a spread ash red
(lavender). There is no indigo in these birds. I would guess
this youngster is spread ash red........spread ash red has so
many expressions depending on other factors that influence it,
like wishiwon said. And the reduced may be playing a role in the
expression as well...let's hope it rolls like its aunt does!!
LOL!
> Cliff
>
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#Post#: 8890--------------------------------------------------
Re: Help with Color
DIR By: Joe Asaro
Date: September 13, 2011, 9:41 am
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Top of page 2nd picture is a good looking Strawberry cock, Comes
from ash red both sides.Joe
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Re: Help with Color
DIR By: Cliff Ball
Date: September 13, 2011, 10:12 am
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I agree with your logic and your genetics, Arif. Good stuff.....
I'm looking forward to seeing you guys in a couple weeks, and
judging your birds again!
Cliff
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>
> I have a very similar offspring. He is from a blue lace self
hen, and an indigo bar cock. It looks very similar to this
youngster except the head is darker blue/black because of the
indigo factor. Wing feathers are very similar also and it looks
like an imitation of a lace. As far as I know, lace comes from
spread and reduced birds. Therefore, for the male youngster to
show a lace pattern, it must inherit two copies of reduced (from
both parents) and at least one copy of spread (from either
parent). Since reduced is recessive sex linked mutation, only
one copy of reduced and at least one copy of spread is required
to make a lace hen.
>
> Cliff, looking at the picture, I don’t see a reduced color on
this young bird. I am assuming this youngster is a hen and
inherited ash-red from the father, but also inherited spread
(non-sex linked) from the mother. I believe it will molt out to
be a spread ash red, darker than the father. For this young hen
to be reduced ash-red, a crossover must have occurred, but I
don’t see any reduced here. I might be 100% wrong however as I
don’t think I have seen a reduced ash-red before. I have a
feeling though a reduced ash-red would present itself as near
white phenotype.
>
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