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#Post#: 8404--------------------------------------------------
Re: looking for a breeder in tulare county
DIR By: Independent5
Date: August 2, 2011, 10:31 pm
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Jay have no idea what he is talking about, Thunderbirds are good
people with good birds. Joe Emberton have some of the best birds
i have seen. For anyone listening to Jay don't waste your time.
No disrespect.
#Post#: 8414--------------------------------------------------
Re: looking for a breeder in tulare county
DIR By: Johnnie Williams
Date: August 4, 2011, 2:07 pm
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HI GUYS---Joe sent some birds to a friend of mine they were 09 I
have a 09 Ash Red T-Patt Ck. Hen have raised 6 young from her
this season 4 of six are fast, tight and deep-- 1 roll down 1
that has not come into roll yet just flipping-- Don't know about
others but this little Hen is not going any where for some
time.. I think JOE"S BIRDS are the REAL DEAL in my way of
thinking.
GOD Bless!!!
#Post#: 8415--------------------------------------------------
Re: looking for a breeder in tulare county
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: August 4, 2011, 2:13 pm
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Hey Johnie, I think somebody is stuck on a point. Jay, simply
because you have not been impressed with what you have seen,
does not necessarily mean you are correct in your analysis.
Birds can be on or off at any given time. Too many things can
change up performance and keep birds from showcasing what they
can do.
Have you talked to Joe about it and what did he say? I would
really like to know his thoughts on your comments about his
birds. Care to share? :-\
#Post#: 8417--------------------------------------------------
Re: looking for a breeder in tulare county
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: August 4, 2011, 2:33 pm
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Jay, very cool. Maybe you said it already so I apologize for
asking about it, did he mix the Arnold birds with his own, or
did he completely give up on his strain and try something new?
Do you know why he went with another strain? What was he after
in the new strain? Thanks.
#Post#: 8418--------------------------------------------------
Re: looking for a breeder in tulare county
DIR By: wishiwon2
Date: August 4, 2011, 3:03 pm
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--- Quote from: Jay Mua Lee link ---
>
> what Yall talking about??? I talk with Joe Emberton about this
and even he agree with me... If you don't believe me ask
him...If so then why is he going back to his 08 bird instead of
sticking with the Arnold Jacking...now you answer me those two
question...LMAO.... Joe Emberton is my next door neighbor if his
bird so good then why didn't I'll just select his bird....NOW
THERE A REASON FOR THAT FOLKS...LMAO.....
>
> I GUESS MY EXPECTATION FROM A BIRMINGHAM ROLLER IS
STRICT...LMAO
>
> AND YOUR EXPECTATION IS EASY...LMAO
>
> Jay......
>
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Jay
Some of your posts here and on other forums have cost you
credibility. Ones like this cost you a lot. Perhaps your birds
can do better than Joe's, but you'll have to show us all instead
of just saying so. Joe Emberton has had a lengthy and successful
career flying rollers, enough to be recognized as a Master
Flier. As yet you have done nothing.
The Thunderbird club has been a positively recognized club for
several years and is made up of reputable rollermen. You talking
them down only makes you look the fool. I see that some of your
meanings are lost in language. I believe you are a knowledgable
roller fancier, but until you establish some credibilty in this
sport, I suggest you refrain from putting down other clubs,
flyers or their birds.
Respectfully
Jon Farr
#Post#: 8421--------------------------------------------------
Re: looking for a breeder in tulare county
DIR By: 559-flier
Date: August 4, 2011, 8:12 pm
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Good post Jon. Ok guys we need to get this straight. Not being
mean or anything in that sense but truthful and you guys
probably notice, but first of all Jay is not mentally all there.
Second, Im not 100% accurate but pretty close there but Joe
Emberton started flying rollers in late 1999 or early 2000. He
was a racing homer guy prior to that. Im not sure what he first
began flying but he had some higgins in his early start and got
rid of them because everytime he would prep them for competition
they would bounce and get big swollen eyes and head so he got
rid of them. He got 10 or so birds from juan navarro flew them
all out and end up keeping only one bird (this bird could be his
foundation hen #200). I forgot how but he got some arnold
jackson birds and found his foundation cock there which was #310
a super fast but very short cock. Those 2 became his main pair
and mostly everything he has now goes back to those 2 birds.
(navarroxjackson). He won the nbrc fall fly in 2004 and became a
master flier in 2006. I know not anyone who has accomplish this
in a shorter time period then him and he currently holds the
most placement in the top ten in the 20bird and 11bird fly
combine. One of the main reason he is crossing is because his
birds are to tight in blood. Hes has been breeding alot of full
brother and sisters straight off his foundation pair. Him and
another friend won some Hamilton birds off the nbrc auction in
2007 or 2008 and he decided to cross with them. He said the
hamilton birds are very good at a young age before the moult or
1 year old but become to frequent in the roll and cannot keep up
with the kit. This is not every bird but in general. Joe has
been trying to add more frequency to his birds to keepup with
the LA guys but it seems like he has added alittle to much. He
hasn't been scoring well lately is because of to much frequency,
birds rolling all the time (water fall). He stated that he wants
to change his birds back to where they onces was, rolling no
more then twice a minute. His birds still got some real good
speed and depth.
#Post#: 8422--------------------------------------------------
Re: looking for a breeder in tulare county
DIR By: MOTHERLODELOFTS
Date: August 4, 2011, 11:02 pm
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Absolutly not true
--- Quote from: Jay Mua Lee link ---
>
> Mr. Tj
>
> My best advice who you should only get bird from is Sumo or
Joe Emberton those are the top two in your area....all the rest
are no good......But if I was you I'll not get bird from any of
them...that just my opinion...
>
> Jay......
>
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#Post#: 8423--------------------------------------------------
Re: looking for a breeder in tulare county
DIR By: MOTHERLODELOFTS
Date: August 4, 2011, 11:07 pm
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Bull
--- Quote from: Jay Mua Lee link ---
>
> AND AGAIN HAVE YOU BEEN TO THEIR MONTHLY FLY??? AT LEAST JUST
IN HIS BACKYARD.....LMAO
>
> TJ DON'T LISTEN TO THOSE NEWBIE...LMAO
>
> I AM NOT SAYING JOE EMBERTON BIRD IS BAD IT'S JUST THAT THEY
DON'T SPIN FAST COMPARE TO OTHER CLUB AND BIRD THAT I BEEN TO
THATS ALL.....
>
> AND ONE MORE THING EVERYTIME I GO I ONLY SEE 1 OR TWO THAT
SPIN OTHER ONE THEY ROLL....
>
> WHEN THAT BABY BOY LEONARD GOT 2ND PLACE IN 2009 IN THE REGION
9F...YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THOSE BIRD COME FROM...LMAO...WHY
NOT YOU ASK THAT BABY BOY LEONARD...LMAO.....
>
> BUT LUCKY I WAS MAKING SURE EVERY OF THOSE BIRD IS OUT OF HIS
BACKYARD...LMAO
>
> AND DON'T FORGERT NO BIRD BETWEEN 08-2010
>
> Jay....
>
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#Post#: 8424--------------------------------------------------
Re: looking for a breeder in tulare county
DIR By: tom wingfield
Date: August 5, 2011, 5:49 am
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JAY MUA LEE,........WECOME TO AMERICA
#Post#: 8430--------------------------------------------------
Re: looking for a breeder in tulare county
DIR By: Joe Asaro
Date: August 5, 2011, 3:28 pm
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Jay..... Say good nite Gracie. >:(
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