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#Post#: 8357--------------------------------------------------
Breeding back to parents?
By: rolldown Date: July 30, 2011, 4:38 pm
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Hello,
I've been flying a kit of 6 birds for about a month now. Only
two of these are out of one of my own pairs. The rest I bought.
These two birds are rolling deep and kitting good too. One is a
hen and the other is unknown. I have heard that you are supposed
to breed your best hen back to the sire and the best cock back
to the dam. I don't think I'll be able to breed these back to
their parents though because, of the pair that produced these
two, the hen is a roll-down and the cock has become mostly
blind. They breed together just fine but I don't think the cock
would breed with a new mate because of his vision problem and
breeding one of the babies to the dam could cause more
roll-downs because the off-spring are deep rollers. I am new to
rollers but I really would like to breed good birds, not just
any ole' rollers. Any advice or tips would be great. Thanks, Joe
#Post#: 10458--------------------------------------------------
Re: Breeding back to parents?
By: Fhtfire Date: January 7, 2012, 7:46 pm
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Dont breed back to the parents just because you read to do
it...you have to do it if the time is right. You ...I dont feel
are at that time....what you need to do is breed those good
birds to each other if they are no full brother and sister...if
THOSE offspring from the two matings are doing it then continue
to breed those...if the third Gen falls on its face and you lose
it...then and only then should you breed that LAST round that
failed back to those parents. You only breed back the
generation above the failure. Not the first hit of good birds
because you dont know what those first birds will produce...you
may be locking in nothing if you dont prove out the first round.
or even the second...you may be surprised that you dont have to
breed back to anything.
Take it with a grain of salt...but I do know a little something
about this subject.
Rock and ROLL
Paul
YOU NEVER INBREED JUST BECAUSE>>>YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD
REASON>>..You have to have something that is way above anything
you have for numerous generations...lock and load if you start
to lose it.....continue down your path if you are still seeing
improvement.
r
#Post#: 10468--------------------------------------------------
Re: Breeding back to parents?
By: wishiwon2 Date: January 9, 2012, 10:10 am
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Good answer Paul. Right on in my opinion.
There is no cookbook recipe pattern for mating birds. Choose
each bird for stock and put each pair together with purpose in
mind. Refine your choices from there based on what you see as
production results.
#Post#: 10505--------------------------------------------------
Re: Breeding back to parents?
By: rolldown Date: January 14, 2012, 2:42 pm
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Great advice, Thanks guys!
#Post#: 10800--------------------------------------------------
Re: Breeding back to parents?
By: LittleJohn Date: March 9, 2012, 6:53 am
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I most certainly wouldnt breed back to the rolldown hen, or to
the blind cockbird. I would however use good judgement in
selecting who you breed based on performance and type. If that
happens to be brother/sister then so be it.
If your intention is to raise better rollers, then always move
forward with your breeding program...never look back...and by
that I mean never look back to cross up on the parents unless it
is a last resort and you have no other option.
By mating Bro/sis you will double up on both the good genes as
well as the undesireable ones. It's up to you as a breeder to
fly these young out and make the decision as to which to cull
and which to move forward with.
It's a much deeper subject than can really be discussed or even
agreed upon by folks on a forum. You have to understand
genetics...and be able to identify when you have made
improvements in your program and then be able to move forward
with them.
I hear a lot of people on these forums say that there is no way
they would make a bro/sis cross...and that inbreeding is no good
and will only result in less than desireable traits surfacing.
Thats where you as the manager of your loft come in...you have
to decide which ones to keep and use to further propogate your
family. You will raise some that are better than their
parents...and you will raise some that are junk. If you cant
discern the difference...then you should probably not be using
this method...but if you can understand it and make it work for
you...your birds will continue to get better.
Just my opinion.
LittleJohn
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Re: Breeding back to parents?
By: Tony Chavarria Date: March 9, 2012, 10:55 am
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Hi LittleJohn, I liked your comments and positive tone. I look
forward to reading more of your comments. Thanks! :D
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